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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by bitJericho »

shas3 wrote: post #22
drakefire wrote: post #3

This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.

It almost sounds like a farce: Clinton gets indicted or loses face due to incompetence relating to the e-mail server scandal, and in her place is elected The Donald, a man who has committed worse transgressions and has the potential to do even worse things when given power. Frankly, she doesn't sound any more incompetent than even a typical old company c. 2010: think Target, Sony, etc. It would be sad, given that her…

Worry not. Any democrat candidate on the ballet will beat trump. You can't win an election on the rich, white, male vote.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by cm2012 »

zaroth wrote: post #13

The emails themselves sent from Clinton's server were unencrypted for several months, so unencrypted printing is just more of the same. There's no reasonable question anymore that laws on handling classified data were broken, the only question is will charges actually be brought?

That server was for only unclassified data though. Some stuff was later called "Classified", but many innocuous things are classified.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by [deleted] »

gizmo wrote: post #8
drakefire wrote: post #3

This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.

No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

#34

Post by mergy »

arcticfox wrote: post #21
mergy wrote: post #15

Other very serious concerns: 1. Was it running RAID? If so, what level? Better not be RAID 5. Horrible write speed. 2. Let's REALLY dig into the DNS. What about reverse lookups and CNAMEs. 3. Any idea what the screensaver was? I'll reserve judgement until I have some confirmation. 4. NIC driver version: Hearing that she just ran a generic MS driver for the Intel dual network card. Unbelievable.

Is your point that the published details are irrelevant? Because if so, I very much disagree. You can ignore the details if you want.

Yes, let's look at all the dns records created, edited, removed and theorize all possible devices that could have been connected or not.

Wouldn't a better rendering of all of this be a video from Taiwanese animation?

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

#35

Post by x0x0 »

zaroth wrote: post #13

The emails themselves sent from Clinton's server were unencrypted for several months, so unencrypted printing is just more of the same. There's no reasonable question anymore that laws on handling classified data were broken, the only question is will charges actually be brought?

What laws regarding handling classified information were broken?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0330-mcmanus-clin...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by jflatow »

gizmo wrote: post #8
drakefire wrote: post #3

This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.

No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…

This is the best case version (for her), and what her camp wants people to believe. Its hard to see that it's true though. The IG report is pretty clear that she willfully violated recommendations and warnings about security.

I'm inclined to believe accounts like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9149363

Perhaps she wasn't furtively planning to take over the world, but the evidence points to more than her just wanting to use a Blackberry - it really seems (to me) like she took significant measures to avoid keeping records.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

#37

Post by gizmo »

blhack wrote: post #18
gizmo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…

Do you have any sources for that? The story I keep hearing is that she had this set up to make FOIA requests more difficult/impossible to fulfil. The really out there stuff is that this was to hide any cash-for-favors exchanges that happened with relation to The Clinton Foundation.

I can't prove some of the more out-there theories aren't true, but they just don't make sense to me.

Given the sheer volume of email she sent from her blackberry (lunch meetings, when to get up, where to go, can you print this, happy birthday, etc) it's pretty clear it's her primary way of communication. So that explains her refusing to take no for an answer from the NSA.

If her motivation was to block FOIA requests, then why did she do literally all important and confidential communication on paper, which falls under FOIA? Then why did the entire administration accept her use of a private email server if she didn't have an obvious reason why she needed one? If her real motivation was to dodge FOIA, then why was the NSA stonewalling? The FOIA hypothesis raises far more questions than it answers.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

#38

Post by seehafer »

bitJericho wrote: post #31
shas3 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It almost sounds like a farce: Clinton gets indicted or loses face due to incompetence relating to the e-mail server scandal, and in her place is elected The Donald, a man who has committed worse transgressions and has the potential to do even worse things when given power. Frankly, she doesn't sound any more incompetent than even a typical old company c. 2010: think Target, Sony, etc. It would be sad, given that her…

Worry not. Any democrat candidate on the ballet will beat trump. You can't win an election on the rich, white, male vote.

Donald is a test as to whether or not you can win an election on white votes. The rich, white, male votes are probably the one cohort of whites he's least likely to get.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by nl »

blhack wrote: post #18
gizmo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…

Do you have any sources for that? The story I keep hearing is that she had this set up to make FOIA requests more difficult/impossible to fulfil. The really out there stuff is that this was to hide any cash-for-favors exchanges that happened with relation to The Clinton Foundation.

The "wanting the NSA phone, being refused, and continuing to do what she'd always done" thing is the real story. Her staff were dumb not to make a stand at some point.

Quotes:

Mills wondered whether the department could get her an encrypted device like the one from the NSA that Obama used.

“If so, how can we get her one?” Mills wrote the group on Saturday evening, Jan. 24. ...

A request for a secure device from the NSA was rebuffed at the outset: “The current state of the art is not too user friendly, has no infrastructure at State, and is very expensive,” Reid, the security official, wrote in an email on Feb. 13, adding that “each time we asked the question ‘What was the solution for POTUS?’ we were politely told to shut up and color.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-e...

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