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Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by djtriptych »

powertower wrote: post #15

To me every example of diversity basically has been the concept that "there are too many white people in the room." And to a smaller degree that "there are too many straight men...". I've never seen this applied to non-whites, at least not to this degree. In fact, 100% black-demographic teams (or businesses or organisations) are oftentimes praised for being "authentically black". IMO, the way I see it is once a produ…

So you would bet there is no bias in extant hiring practices? How do you know?

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by djtriptych »

guessmyname wrote: post #12

This blog post reads to me like the Pokemon motto "Gotta Catch 'Em All". Being non-american (I'm from a South American country) it is hard for me to understand the importance giving to these things associated to racism and sexism. The United States is the only place I have seen where people invest a considerable amount of time and resources just to put people from minor groups or specific genders in pedestals just to…

It's a privileged viewpoint to even suggest there is zero bias in extant hiring practices.

You think that's what we would find if we measured? We can test for this you know.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by brandoncordell »

zyxley wrote: post #18
brandoncordell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I grabbed the first link. Are they a poor source (honestly don't know)? I also found http://www.techinsider.io/github-the-full-inside-story-2016-... and http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/26/githubs-diversity-is-just-a... The tweets and images came from Githubbers themselves.

> Are they a poor source (honestly don't know)? Extremely. Breitbart regularly publicizes stories that are misleading at best or just flat out wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News_Network#Notable...

Thanks. Wow, TIL!

I feel like an idiot now, but I've edited the original post with the TechCrunch link.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by jason_dstillery »

ajhurliman wrote: post #17
pron wrote: post #8

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I think that the reason you find this objectionable is because you misunderstand the goal and the premises, and therefore the statement. It is not, "universally, we need one of each", but (goal:) "we must ensure no group is marginalized" + (premise:) "blacks are marginalized" = (conclusion:) "we must reduce the marginalization of blacks" = (statement:) "it is unacceptable that there are no blacks" In general, most pr…

This strikes me as centralized planning for jobs. It seems like the best way to go about this is focusing on the pool of applicants and making sure everyone gets a fair shake. Making assumptions about the outcome of those hiring decisions independent of the actual applicants seems neither fair nor good for business.

If your organization's demographics don't match the demographics of the broader population of qualified candidates, there's a good chance it's because you're biased (intentionally or not) in your recruiting or evaluation.

In that sense, "focusing on the pool of applicants and making sure everyone gets a fair shake" are pretty much exactly what diversity efforts are about.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by brandoncordell »

djtriptych wrote: post #29
brandoncordell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I grabbed the first link. Are they a poor source (honestly don't know)? I also found http://www.techinsider.io/github-the-full-inside-story-2016-... and http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/26/githubs-diversity-is-just-a... The tweets and images came from Githubbers themselves.

You grabbed the first link that sounded plausible to you. Probably a better reflection of your pre-existing bias than anything else.

I grabbed the first link about a story I'd already read in the past the included the two things most damning, the photo of the internal presentation and the public tweets from someone on their diversity team slamming "white people."

I was easily able to change the link out with two more, from more reputable sources. If you'd like I can find even more articles about their toxic "diverse" culture if you'd like.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by brandoncordell »

patmcguire wrote: post #28
brandoncordell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I grabbed the first link. Are they a poor source (honestly don't know)? I also found http://www.techinsider.io/github-the-full-inside-story-2016-... and http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/26/githubs-diversity-is-just-a... The tweets and images came from Githubbers themselves.

They're conservative partisans and pretty open about it. Mostly they publish red meat for their base, same as Salon or Alternet.

Edited my original post with the TechCrunch link. Embarrassing mess up on my part, but live and learn. Thanks!

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by rco8786 »

superpatosainz wrote: post #24
jacalata wrote: post #14

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If you want to look for examples closer to home, try reading about the Mapucho.

Mapuches you mean? Well, living in Chile, I've learnt that there's no racism here BUT: -There's classism, a lot. Both from the lower classes to the upper and vice versa. There's also a lot of anger left from the various dictatorships that ruled in the eighties. -In some countries, here included, there's also big prejudice against native cultures like the Mapuches. "They're all lazy drunkards". These problems mostly s…

Sounds like you're describing racism to me?

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by djtriptych »

twunacceptable wrote: post #2

"There are no Black/African-American GitHubbers in management positions, which is unacceptable." Why is it unacceptable? Just by virtue of the number of different kinds of people -- race, gender, etc there's no way to have 'one of each' for every position for maximum diversity. This sort of thing is so creepy because it treats people like collectible figures ("Oh yeah? Well I added a black transgendered person to our…

Creepier than a few centuries of slavery? Creepier than a few centuries of anti-black, anti-woman laws at every level of government? Creepier than nearly universal, measurable, provable anti-black, anti-woman implicit bias today?

Sure guy.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by superpatosainz »

superpatosainz wrote: post #24
jacalata wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to look for examples closer to home, try reading about the Mapucho.

Mapuches you mean? Well, living in Chile, I've learnt that there's no racism here BUT: -There's classism, a lot. Both from the lower classes to the upper and vice versa. There's also a lot of anger left from the various dictatorships that ruled in the eighties. -In some countries, here included, there's also big prejudice against native cultures like the Mapuches. "They're all lazy drunkards". These problems mostly s…

To add (and replying to rco8786): I think this is not racism. Because ethnicity is not race, and almost everybody by now through mestizaje has native blood. The early colonial period might have a racist component with "sistema de castas" (Spaniard born in America = Criollo, Spaniard with Native = Mestizo, Spaniard with African slave = Mulato, so on).

But now race doesn't even matter because we are all almost the same genetically (it just happens that at least in Chile, the fair-haired blue-eyed people are the richest, but hate here is about wealth and politics rather than race itself).

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by tylersmith »

brandoncordell wrote: post #11
_toastie wrote: post #9

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really? breitbart.com?

Sorry, I grabbed the first link. Are they a poor source (honestly don't know)? I also found http://www.techinsider.io/github-the-full-inside-story-2016-... and http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/26/githubs-diversity-is-just-a... The tweets and images came from Githubbers themselves.

The former owner is a conservative so many people automatically reject it in a knee jerk reaction to advertise how sophisticated their political beliefs are. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, just who says it.
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