Humans with fewer skills than the elite were not pushed out of the employment market by the invention of dishwashers, laundry machines, or vacuum cleaners. The invention of AI is hardly different.
AI will create 'useless class' of humans
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#32Every time a new tech emerges someone will always say, that the new tech will take away human jobs. The new tech will take away human jobs. But the humans will just go do other newly created jobs.
This is true, but I'd say that industrialisation up to this point has already created a swathe of people who have significant trouble finding a job.
100 years ago someone who's capabilities maxed out at wielding a showel cut still find work. Today that's pretty difficult. Granted, must people can up their capabilities by education, training, etc. but not everyone.
New technology (including clever software, sometimes labeled AI) will continue this trend.
True AI will also replace people, but that'll be way different (http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolu...).
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#33These screeds have one grave misunderstanding: that AI can compete with a human. It's like apples to oranges. Alpha Go may have beat the best human player in the world but you can't ask it to fold the laundry or how it felt about Angela's Ashes. I think we'll be able to optimize away boring, repetitive jobs and tasks that require vast numerical and statistical quantities. And that's a good thing. We'll just need to a…
Something I never see answered in these discussions: What are the previous workers to do, those whose jobs were so simple that a properly configured AI can perform it faster and better.
Every other job that they would be capable of is just as likely to be replaced by another properly configured machine. If every possible tasks a person would be capable of handling can be solved by a specific machine in a better way then what should these people do?
I am not talking about engineers or white collar workers. I'm talking about people who were unfortunately born with what I'd for a lack of a better word call "low IQ" though I know that the term and the science behind it is highly flawed.
Currently, those persons are in the vast minority. Only a small percentile of the human population falls into this category. But as AI gets smarter, year over year, the minimal job requirement will grow.
I, personally, think that we have to accept that there'll be a world where not everybody will be able to have a job. And we should prepare for it.
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#34Every time a new tech emerges someone will always say, that the new tech will take away human jobs. The new tech will take away human jobs. But the humans will just go do other newly created jobs.
That has been the general trend over time, but AI breaks this trend. The basic problem is there is minimum wage below which humans can't survive. No such lower limit exists with AI. At some point every job can be performed for less by an AI.
What will happen to owner(s) of AI? Will they survive? :-)
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#35Humans with fewer skills than the elite were not pushed out of the employment market by the invention of dishwashers, laundry machines, or vacuum cleaners. The invention of AI is hardly different.
A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different, you just train it on the task like you'd train a human worker and that's it. No need to invent a new machine.
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#37Humans with fewer skills than the elite were not pushed out of the employment market by the invention of dishwashers, laundry machines, or vacuum cleaners. The invention of AI is hardly different.
A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different, you just train it on the task like you'd train a human worker and that's it. No need to invent a new machine.
>A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different
It's absolutely not. Siri's never driven a car or beaten a human at Go.
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#38I see a lot of comments saying "this happened in the past, and the new technologies never made the humans useless". Well, maybe a good way to state the current problem is the following: the aim of this new technology is to produce humans. A potentially infinite amount of them. Running on electricity instead of food. Needing the space of a box. Without the need to sleep, socialize, furnish their apartments, look for love and raise kids. If the technology is actually possible, there simply can't be any space left for old style, flesh and blood humans in the economy.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different, you just train it on the task like you'd train a human worker and that's it. No need to invent a new machine.
>A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different It's absolutely not. Siri's never driven a car or beaten a human at Go.
Even if it was, unless you're saying robots are going to buy and sell things to each other, all economic activity is oriented around humans. There's no point to AI without us. As well put a dishwasher in the jungle. The monkeys might like it, but they sure won't use it to wash clothes.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different, you just train it on the task like you'd train a human worker and that's it. No need to invent a new machine.
>A dishwasher or a laundry machine can do one thing. For every task, you need to create a very particular machine. AI is different It's absolutely not. Siri's never driven a car or beaten a human at Go.
We're not talking about now, we're talking about the future.
Computers in the 50s couldn't talk to you or how to tell you whether its raining in Tulsa just by you asking it.
AI is early days.
This amuses me: https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=movie+where+a+professor+si...
The third result is the one I'm looking for.
DeepMind can learn atari games on its own.
The future is arriving quickly.