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FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

#31

"I got absolutely no work done." That's the tactics they use (don't ask how I know that). Be strong and welcome to Germany!

No idea why you get downvoted for this.

There is a german word for it - 'Zersetzung'. It was used by Stasi in former divided Germany and for sure has been used in recent years against other folks of the Tor community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

#32
post #6

The original story told about a couple of polite phonecalls where they have requested to talk with her. How does it get described as "harassment"? Of course, she also added a lot of paranoid speculation to her original blog post, but there's not a single confirmation of her fears so far, not even a hint.

>The original story told about a couple of polite phonecalls where they have requested to talk with her. How does it get described as "harassment"? As soon as they continued after the very first 'no' it becomes harassment. Imagine this was a work setting, the FBI was a coworker of this individual, and they asked for a date. After the very first "no, please don't bring it up again" it becomes harassment.

>> "As soon as they continued after the very first 'no' it becomes harassment."

Untrue, legally, at least in the UK where at least two incidents that cause you distress are required to have been committed by the same person/group. And then it's up to a judge to decide if the 'distressing' behaviour would be considered distressing by any reasonable person.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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post #5

It sounds like her concern is that they might show her a magic piece of paper which, once you've seen it, requires you to do certain things and prohibits you from ever talking about it to anyone.[1] Magic pieces of paper like that really shouldn't be a part of our legal system. [1] https://epic.org/privacy/nsl/

That's certainly not a valid concern. There's much simpler ways of serving such a letter.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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post #28
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think sending an email would legally count as a served subpoena, at least not unless you somehow (at the very least, but I doubt that's sufficient) indicated that you're fine with that? I'm not familiar with how this is practiced in the U.S., but in many EU countries, "regular" email is essentially useless in a court of law, even more so for something like a subpoena which needs to be served in person.

Email is definitely a valid way of serving subpoenas.

No evidence of receipt. No witness.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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post #33
post #5

It sounds like her concern is that they might show her a magic piece of paper which, once you've seen it, requires you to do certain things and prohibits you from ever talking about it to anyone.[1] Magic pieces of paper like that really shouldn't be a part of our legal system. [1] https://epic.org/privacy/nsl/

That's certainly not a valid concern. There's much simpler ways of serving such a letter.

They serve you the letter personally, don't give you a copy, and then tell you verbally what they require you to do. NSLs don't leave a paper trail on the recipient's side.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's certainly not a valid concern. There's much simpler ways of serving such a letter.

They serve you the letter personally, don't give you a copy, and then tell you verbally what they require you to do. NSLs don't leave a paper trail on the recipient's side.

Yes, and they could've just gone to her and done it.

When the FBI served me with a subpoena they were waiting in the tube when I walked out of a plane. I'm sure they'd be capable of going even further to serve someone with a NSL.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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post #34
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is definitely a valid way of serving subpoenas.

No evidence of receipt. No witness.

And?

Edit: Why the downvotes? cmurf certainly needs to elaborate as to why either of those would affect the validity of the thousands of subpoenas that have been served over email.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

#38
post #17
post #5

It sounds like her concern is that they might show her a magic piece of paper which, once you've seen it, requires you to do certain things and prohibits you from ever talking about it to anyone.[1] Magic pieces of paper like that really shouldn't be a part of our legal system. [1] https://epic.org/privacy/nsl/

She does (still) have a canary: https://fyb.patternsinthevoid.net/canary.html

Could an NSL require you to leave canaries in place?

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

#39

"I got absolutely no work done." That's the tactics they use (don't ask how I know that). Be strong and welcome to Germany!

No idea why you get downvoted for this. There is a german word for it - 'Zersetzung'. It was used by Stasi in former divided Germany and for sure has been used in recent years against other folks of the Tor community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

>and for sure has been used in recent years against other folks of the Tor community.

Examples?

Edit: Not really sure why asking for examples gets downvotes. Google news search definitely didn't turn up anything but this story.

Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if emailed, what prevents you from leaking it (along with other recent content of your email inbox) claiming somebody hacked your email ?

Fear of prison?

You can get into prison because someone hacked your email account?
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