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Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

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Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

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Nobody suggested yet a scifi twist in the story like Satoshi Nakamoto was an AI project using deep learning. The project was dismantled and the keys can't be recovered. The model was trained with papers in cryptography.

Note to downvoters: think that every Satoshi story is hilarious until someone MOVES those F*ing prehistoric bitcoins on a transaction.

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

#32

It is clearly obvious that Craig Wright will be accused of identity theft by many if he really provides the crypto proof he announced yesterday. Too many people prefer to think of Gavin Andresen as a complete idiot easy to fool with some stupid tricks or even a fraud one can buy, rather than to accept Craig Wright as Satoshi Nakamoto. They also think about Craig Wright as a complete idiot who gives false proof easily…

It seems to me that there's two Satoshis to talk about here. One is the Satoshi that created Bitcoin. The other is the Satoshi that owns the private key to the genesis block, and also a whole lot of other bitcoins that are worth a lot of money.

Everything I've read about Craig Wright makes it seem pretty unlikely that he's the former. I just don't see enough in his CV to believe he created Bitcoin. This is the Satoshi I'd be more interested in actually learning the identity of.

As for the latter, all he needs to do to prove that is sign a message. That's pretty easy to do relative to the magnitude of the claim. Any proof beyond that isn't proof of identity, it's proof that he obtained that identity legitimately. I kind of don't care about who this Satoshi is unless they are the same person.

I don't think these two Satoshis have to be the same person, I don't think they need to be only one person, and I don't think they need to be alive, but right now I've personally seen nothing that makes me thing Craig is either.

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

#33

Seriously, this is at TV soap opera level now. And this... "Whatever is happening is fascinating, it’s a plot worthy of Hollywood." ...is terrible judgment. No, it's not a plot worthy of Hollywood. It's a known fraud continuing to make grandiose claims that people publish and debate for some reason. Now, he's concocted a trail of evidence leading to a person that's paralyzed, hospitalized, and maybe nearly dead. The…

> Now, he's concocted a trail of evidence leading to a person that's paralyzed, hospitalized, and maybe nearly dead.

Klieman is dead since 2013.

As far as I understand, Wright "concocted a trail of evidence" last year, the "leaked" documents that point to Klieman, referred to by various online media are with great probability from Wright alone.

And he openly proved twice that he's able to construct false proofs (the PGP mails story last year and this "old signature" trick now). And he's quite capable when presenting them: whenever he just shows his "proofs" to only a few people, most people believe him. We have enough articles to confirm that.

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

#34
Reminds me of the mystery about +ORC back in my reversing days. I shortly talked to Francesco during a CCC but couldn't get more info on the topic :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Red_Cracker

http://www.home.aone.net.au/~byzantium/found/found4.html

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

#35
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. From Gavin's reddit account,

"Craig signed a message that I chose ("Gavin's favorite number is eleven. CSW" if I recall correctly) using the private key from block number 1. That signature was copied on to a clean usb stick I brought with me to London, and then validated on a brand-new laptop with a freshly downloaded copy of electrum. I was not allowed to keep the message or laptop (fear it would leak before Official Announcement). I don't have an explanation for the funky OpenSSL procedure in his blog post." src:https://www.reddit.com/user/gavinandresen

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

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post #8

I wish HN had downvote post button (similar to downvote comment), all this "Who is Satoshi Today" soap opera is getting boring already.

As far as I understand things around here, there is a hidden "downvote post" button, and you just pressed it!

(May be wrong, but that's what I read once: The more comments a post has compared to upvotes, the faster it sinks.)

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

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post #18

Seriously what's with all this bitcoin propaganda on Hacker News these days? Is this kind of stuff even interesting except to the few people that have money invested in bitcoin?

How is this bitcoin propaganda? It doesn't promote bitcoin in any way. Or are you calling anything bitcoin related "propaganda"?

We had at least 6 articles about bitcoin in the front page in the last 3 days and only 1 of them was about anything technical or factual. So yes, that's propaganda.

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter if you did a good job documenting and proving that you didn't use work equipment. I remember a speaker once telling an audience something like don't even use the same brand pens or notebooks purchased by your employer to jot down your ideas and stuff.

Well, of course, as long as those are the rules and the scenario. The grandparent offered a bit different scenario. The moral is quite clear, though: don't ever, ever use someone else's equipment and time to build your own thing.

And now I realize how heavy that scenario is too. Dang. That's heavy.

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

#39

Seriously, this is at TV soap opera level now. And this... "Whatever is happening is fascinating, it’s a plot worthy of Hollywood." ...is terrible judgment. No, it's not a plot worthy of Hollywood. It's a known fraud continuing to make grandiose claims that people publish and debate for some reason. Now, he's concocted a trail of evidence leading to a person that's paralyzed, hospitalized, and maybe nearly dead. The…

I think it's first-world countries who are doing that.

Re: Everything makes sense if David Kleiman was Satoshi Nakamoto. Here’s why

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post #10

Genuinely curious: Why does anyone care about who Satoshi is IRL? Is it the mystery? The hunt? Is there a Bitcoin prize to be had?

It could be argued that if Satoshi is a person, and that person created Bitcoin on equipment provided by a workplace, during work time... and if those first 1 million bitcoins were mined on equipment owned by a workplace... Then depending on the legal jurisdiction of that person... * The employer have a claim on the IP and the initial licence was incorrect * The employer have a claim on the bitcoins * The employer co…

Plus the Capital Gains Tax payable on 1.1m bitcoins when sold...
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