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Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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Well this is a load of drivel. And all yall are agreeing with it because every single person on this forum considers themselves smart so you like agreeing with people who claim to be smart and know smart people stuff. "so I took California’s GED test in June, 2012. It was dead easy." If that's your basis for calling yourself smart then I'm not impressed. I took the GED high as a kite and got a perfect math score (kno…

That kid didn't build a clock, he put a clock in a suitcase, thought it didn't look like a bomb and brought it to school. What a smarty.

I'm finding often when I'm learning new skills I realize I had some of this education in school at some point. I think that's the entire point of early schooling, to learn real skills as an adult, of any random subject, really fast.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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The best thing about school is it being a forced social experience -- preparing one for life itself, and even having them interact with others even if that's not their "thing" (it wasn't for me either).

Not the learning.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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I agree. Despite going to one of the best public high schools in the country I don't remember learning much of anything. Looking back on it it was more like a very pleasant teenage internment camp. Parts of it were fun, the drugs and alcohol being a highlight. Going to school high or getting high at school was pretty fun. Sometimes competing with other students on the tests without studying or doing any of the homewo…

I went to one of the better public high schools in my district, so not one of the best schools in the country.

I learned quite a bit. Both the US history and European history teachers were very good, the calculus and differential equations courses were an excellent base for college physics and applied math, the computer class marked the start of my transition from an avid hobby programmer to a software developer, and drafting changed the way I understand a building.

As it happens, I'm still interested in history, math, science, programming, and building design, so perhaps I remember those best because I found them interesting. You were interested in getting high and competing with your friends, so perhaps that's why you remember that part best?

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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I wish I had skipped high school. At best it was a waste of time and at worst it was a highly traumatic experience for me. I guess I'm doing better now but the first few years I spent in the real world were spent desperately trying to unlearn everything I'd learned from that experience.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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I half did this: after sophomore year, I left high school for what's now called Bard College at Simon's Rock, a college specifically for younger kids. tl;dr if you think you might be ready for college you should look at it. There are scholarships.

I have no regrets about that. It's as demanding as you want. About 2/3 of kids there get an associates' to transfer to another school after two years; those that stay all four do a B.A. thesis. Some folks who transferred reported being bored at their new schools, but I don't have much of a sample. :) I'd probably have had a slightly shinier-looking résumé if I'd gone on through high school, but there's more to life than that. For me the résumé thing is moot (the Rock actually helped; I got work through a teacher referring me to an alum), and plenty of classmates have done well in tech or law, become doctors, gone into research (including in hard sciences), etc. It produces a good number of high achievers for its small size and high acceptance rate, probably because kids interested in rushing into college are a sort of funny pool already. Occasionally bureaucracy requires some grad to take a GED exam because they left high school, but that's straightforward.

For high-school me, the focus on the liberal arts and the beliefs of folks there really contrasted with how I looked at the world at the time. Same would be true for a lot of folks here I figure. The tension from being exposed to something different was productive for me. Sounds icky I bet, but what you need to learn is not always the stuff you come in wanting to learn.

Anyhow, the site is https://simons-rock.edu/. Hope this is useful to folks.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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I agree. Despite going to one of the best public high schools in the country I don't remember learning much of anything. Looking back on it it was more like a very pleasant teenage internment camp. Parts of it were fun, the drugs and alcohol being a highlight. Going to school high or getting high at school was pretty fun. Sometimes competing with other students on the tests without studying or doing any of the homewo…

I went to one of the better public high schools in my district, so not one of the best schools in the country. I learned quite a bit. Both the US history and European history teachers were very good, the calculus and differential equations courses were an excellent base for college physics and applied math, the computer class marked the start of my transition from an avid hobby programmer to a software developer, and…

That last paragraph would sound unpleasant if it replied to me. :) That poster can take solace that they're in good intellectual company:

"In fact, I can remember a lot about elementary school, the work I did, what I studied and so on. I remember virtually nothing about high school. It’s almost an absolute blank in my memory apart from the emotional tone, which was quite negative." — Noam Chomsky (https://chomsky.info/reader01/)

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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I half did this: after sophomore year, I left high school for what's now called Bard College at Simon's Rock, a college specifically for younger kids. tl;dr if you think you might be ready for college you should look at it. There are scholarships. I have no regrets about that. It's as demanding as you want. About 2/3 of kids there get an associates' to transfer to another school after two years; those that stay all f…

The problem is that's a small and selective school that only accepts a few hundred people. It's hardly a solution for the entire country, much less world. While it lists an 89% acceptance rate, that's out of only 199 applicants and with a total student body size of 329 (in 2015). It's an "elite" school for "elite" kids to basically start college early. Possibly a model for other schools, but it alone doesn't scale to the rest of the population.

Full disclosure: I applied when in high school, remember getting the full tour and sample class, etc, but was rejected, imo because I pretty clearly didn't hit it off with the interviewer. It seemed like a very nice place though, if you can get in.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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I don't get the trend of being all cool and dropping out of High School or College or whatever. High School gets out at 2 or 3 pm, leaving plenty of time to learn on your own or build projects. At that age are you really going to start a business? Besides, school provides motivation to learn, especially Colleges, because you are paying for it and don't want to fail classes.

high school does not provide motivation. That comes from the students that know what their next step is and want to get into college.

Umm, you realize a lot of people are motivated to graduate from high school because they have career plans which don't require college, right?

There are entire high school programs of vocational, technical, and career education for those whose idea of a "next step" is different from an academically oriented career that most colleges teach.

There are also people who graduate from high school because their goal is to enter the military, either as a career or for specialized training, and the military requires a high school degree.

Also, by the same logic, college does not provide motivation either.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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Is this like saying "Rich people should hoard their wealth"? There is something to be said for Smart kids being at school both receive and PROVIDE benefit to/from the other students. But I guess, who cares about dumb kids, who had less opportunity than the smart ones? They'll get a better draw next life!

Actually, smart kids usually end up a net loss for classes. They get bored. so they skip classes, or end up sitting in class bothering everyone else. They also end up frustrating other kids because "why does it come so easy for X but not for me?" Bad teachers even use smart kids as examples: "See, you all should be a lot more like smart kid". A smart kid isn't going to magically become a free tutor for other kids at…

I'm not sure whether it happens "magically" or not, but the research is traditionally interpreted to suggest that classes of mixed ability do better on average.

Re: Smart Kids Should Skip High School

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post #5

My son went to Grossmont Middle College which is a charter school for the last two years of high school located on a jr college campus. He was able to get enough college units to save him a year and a half at 4 year college. High school, depending upon your goals and classes can be not the best use of time if you can just jump in and do the college courses anyway... why do double work.

This topic used to come up a lot on HN, though I've not seen it for a while. My summary of reading those previous threads, where many people shared their personal experiences, is that what you are suggesting is the best idea.

Negotiate and/or move school and/or spent partial time in other institutions so that you can use at least some of your time to be exploring advanced topics that also give you real world credentials and projects for a portfolio while staving off boredom.

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