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The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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To me Microsoft has been evil long enough, instead of welcoming they "join" open source world, I'm 1000x more concerned they become a tumour and hurt the booming open source at large. Just leave OSS alone Microsoft!

Why do I keep rolling my eyes everytime I go on hacker news?

Microsoft providing more free tools in their suite is nothing but nice. It certainly won't do any harm to OSS.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories going on, on what I personally believe to be a really straight forward and logical reaction. From my perspective, "Bash on Windows" is a reaction to the wide adoption of OSX for development (In particularly web development seemed to have a mass migration). For obligatory anecdote: I'm a longtime and loyal Windows user. Windows has been my primary development platform eve…

Yeah, there's a development tool I was watching that worked entirely the same on Linux and OS X, but then it has to have a special sidebar for 'if on Windows, do this'. And this will likely be able to go away with Bash for Windows.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like your approach sometimes. When dealing with people, I find it best to take positive changes in behavior at face value. I'm sure people could hang their past behavior over their head and treat them as though nothing has changed, but that seems sociopathic. Judging people more harshly based on past behavior is a pretty good way to keep yourself from harm, though. If it weren't unfair to others I would consider do…

well the thing is - Microsoft isn't a person, it's a company - as a general rule it is reasonable to assume that companies don't do anything out of the goodness of their hearts, when you also have a good deal of bad behavior in the past ( and 20 years ago can be the recent past for a company) it might make sense to keep an increase sense of skepticism.

Twenty years ago isn't "recent history" for anything in the tech industry. People who were at Microsoft back when they were "really evil" in the 90s have since WORKED AT GOOGLE (or any number of other companies you might be a fan of), and even left Google, since then.

Very few people who made decisions you may be holding over them today, actually work at Microsoft today. You can legitimately hold a decision against a person for a long time... they're still the same person, more than likely. But a company is an amalgamation of it's employees. And employees come and go.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Yes, it does. Not so much on servers or desktops, but on phones. The mobile ecosystem is in danger of becoming a iOS/Android duopoly (or already is, depending on which X you want in 9X% to say it is)

I love Windows Phones. No so many apps, which is good as I don't have that much time to tweak stuff. Sensitive defaults like a black theme (!!!), a click to enable reading aloud SMS (!!), crazy battery features.

They are liquidating the current WP8 line, so it's like $30 if you want to get a Lumia 640 LTE to play with for a weekend (and free unlock code if you want to keep it but don't want AT&T). It's just sad to see something that had so many good things for it go the way of the Dodo.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

And yet they still extort companies with their secret Android "patents". Perhaps people will treat them differently when they start acting like it. Nadella is getting there, but still has a lot of work ahead of him before hardcore Linux people (like myself) really trust the motives.

There's almost nothing "secret" about how Microsoft handles patents (you know about it, so do I). What'd be really interesting is actually seeing what Google does with patents. While I've got no paper to prove it, Samsung changed directions in Google's favor massively when Samsung agreed to a long-term patent sharing agreement with them. (Previously, Samsung had been looking more and more like they were going to fork or leave Android entirely.)

I suspect some patent hijinks happened there, and you and I just don't know the details.

You want to talk about secret, ask Google for a copy of the secret contracts every Android OEM is bound to.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories going on, on what I personally believe to be a really straight forward and logical reaction. From my perspective, "Bash on Windows" is a reaction to the wide adoption of OSX for development (In particularly web development seemed to have a mass migration). For obligatory anecdote: I'm a longtime and loyal Windows user. Windows has been my primary development platform eve…

I agree with you 100%. The only thing I worry about, with "BASH on Windows" is how separate the subsystems are. On OS X I can interact with the desktop using osascript. Is there anything like this in the new Windows stuff? I fear there will not, based on what I've read so far.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

When I first read your comment, I though you meant there is a large population who still think it is the Microsoft 90s when it comes to technology. Oh wait, I work for state government...

(SQL Server is the BEST! Outlook is the BEST! Everything can be done in Excel! Visual Source Safe is the BEST! Oh wait, TFS with a SQL Server back end is the BEST! )

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories going on, on what I personally believe to be a really straight forward and logical reaction. From my perspective, "Bash on Windows" is a reaction to the wide adoption of OSX for development (In particularly web development seemed to have a mass migration). For obligatory anecdote: I'm a longtime and loyal Windows user. Windows has been my primary development platform eve…

More anecdata of that: we all have Macs for doing Java web server development at my job, which is for the UC (Davis), rather than some startup.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

Mm? I don't see how one could think Microsoft has become any less nefarious than the past. Windows 10 is the prime example of this. If anything, I'm getting more worried.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

You forgot to use the $ in micro$oft. I'm waiting for the proprietary extensions to the bash shell that requires you to license your software because it was created with windows bash. MSVCRT.dll ftw

I know this is touch-in-cheek, but my understanding is the subsystems are completely separate and can't talk with each other, so that means no msvcrt.dll.
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