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Climate-Related Death of Coral Around World Alarms Scientists

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At this point I welcome catastrophe. Nobody listens anyway so a clear message from nature is the only way.

As much as I share your sentiment any catastrophe will almost certainly be dismissed as natural or, my personal favourite "act of God". And the massive loss of innocent species and their worlds is too high a price to pay for that education.

Also, it bears noting that these facts have been well understood for some time now. Its simply being ignored because it is inconvenient. Its a great pity that catastrophe is needed to force the masses to force the powers that be to affect change, all the while those powers were very much aware of the coming crisis. How could they not be ?

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#33

I planted about 50 fruit trees and bushes when I moved into my new place. I also converted the electric to 100% renewable. Other than dumping my natural gas heater I'm not sure what's left that I can do to help reduce climate change.

Awesome. Now you could help other people do similar things.

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There is a whole lot of climate change evidence coming out that is terrifying. At what point does this become so scary that something happens to increase the taxes on fossil fuels so that consumption will go down? Falling renewable prices are not enough, and use-based taxes are the single best way to let individuals make their own decisions about what/how much to use. Carbon credits are a good market-based solution t…

I don't think we will see significant change until people are dying by the millions, in first world countries.

If Japan is losing population to climate change, if the US is losing population to climate change, if the EU is losing population to climate change, THEN we will see change.

Deaths in Indonesia, middle East, Africa, South + Central America won't be enough to inspire change. The people who have the power won't act until they feel directly threatened.

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Washington could be taken over by the Green party, ban fossil fuels, etc - and we'd still be in trouble due to China, et al with their increasing CO2 output. Reminds me a bit of banning plastic bags in California to help the ocean. That's lovely, but given Asia dumps something like 150 times the amount plastics into the ocean, so is basically meaningless.

> banning plastic bags in California to help the ocean They were banned because they don't decompose, so they end up all over the place. Not just in the ocean, but on the beach, in creeks, lakes, anywhere near a highway, etc. As an example local to Silicon Valley, Stevens Creek used to be completely clogged with plastic bags. It's gotten a lot better now.

They've banned plastic bags in the UK too.

Of course any wasteland or street is still littered with fast food plastic, plastic bottles and the excessive packaging found in most supermarkets.

We have slightly effective recycling schemes for a tiny proportion of what we use, and massive amounts of recycling end up shipped to the developing world to be dumped. Manufacturers of TVs, appliances, IoT toys and any thing else using plastics aren't required to own their debris at end of lifespan.

So, as is typical with modern politics, we've had a token gesture that affects the public but utterly avoids the real issue.

The oceans are doomed unless we grow up and own our debris as a species.

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#36

I planted about 50 fruit trees and bushes when I moved into my new place. I also converted the electric to 100% renewable. Other than dumping my natural gas heater I'm not sure what's left that I can do to help reduce climate change.

What is your commute like? What politicians do you support?

Those are both ways you can affect climate change.

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#37

At this point I welcome catastrophe. Nobody listens anyway so a clear message from nature is the only way.

I try to understand people, and your despair is loud and clear here. Change is inevitable for sure, man or nature (man is nature, BTW). The sun will devour the inner planets in 4 billion years, but it is burning brighter each year, and in 1 billion years, it will boil off the oceans, coral and all. To the stars if we wish to preserve humankind.

There is a lot of complaining that nothing is being done. There should be some basic steps aside from accepting your problem to begin with, and that is to study some solutions:

#1. Propose and study solutions to match your conclusions of climate change - I don't find too much here compared with the amount of continuing studies on the climate.

And very important to get intellect to act -

#2. Who's going to pay for it, and on whose back falls the labor to implement #1?

Financial illiteracy is the big problem nobody talks about when discussing STEM deficiencies. You may need to build a skyscraper, but if you have 2 guys, 100 bucks and 1 day, you are going to be living in a lean-to, or a makeshift tent at the end of the day, no matter how much you complain or dream. I try and do my best to live minimally, because I prefer it, it makes me feel more peaceful and less distracted, and gives me plenty of time to read and think. I don't preach that all should live my way. On a more cheerful note, I found a Tweet today about Sweet Meteor of Death, but it was in reaction to people's political apathy or neuroses over the coming U.S. elections. An apocolyptic meteor for POTUS 2016! You should buy the tee shirt and smile!

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#38

This is truly sad. Wonder what effects on the larger ecosystem the death of this amount of coral will have.

Do yourself a disservice browse using Google Earth with satellite view turned on to any location and zoom out. See if you can spot what is left between the mono-culture farmlands.

We have already sterilised much of the earths surface.

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#39

I planted about 50 fruit trees and bushes when I moved into my new place. I also converted the electric to 100% renewable. Other than dumping my natural gas heater I'm not sure what's left that I can do to help reduce climate change.

I don't want to offend you, I've lived differently than I do now, but just brainstorming here: sounds like a big piece of property to be able to plant that much. Go minimal to your comfort level. I am not talking a yurt here on 1/10th of an acre, but minimalism can be very rewarding in today's super-size culture.

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I planted about 50 fruit trees and bushes when I moved into my new place. I also converted the electric to 100% renewable. Other than dumping my natural gas heater I'm not sure what's left that I can do to help reduce climate change.

Stop eating animal-based food. See http://www.cowspiracy.com/ for details.
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