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Metal foam obliterates bullets

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Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#31
post #10

The part about shielding radiation sounds dubious to me. I thought shielding from radiation was mostly about mass. How is that foam supposed to shield better than cast metal of the same weight? Maybe the "foam" deteriorates less?

if you have something that interrupts the wave it blocks the whole wave. that's why the gauss on the microwave front door works yet you can see through it, because microwaves (the actual waves) are in the order of centimetres wide.

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#32
post #3

Neat, though of course this raises the question: what would it take to engineer a foam-piercing bullet?

I'm not an expert, but after some Googling, I think the bullet they're using there consists of a steel core inside a lead envelope inside a copper or copper-nickel jacket. So, at a guess, you'd want to replace the steel with something much harder and/or denser. Tungsten, maybe? I dunno. Depleted uranium would probably do it; I've never heard of it being used in anti-personnel rounds, but in cannon sizes it pokes holes in tanks quite nicely.

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#34

Would this be effective against micrometeoroids and orbital debris?

I asked Dr Rabiei that very question by email yesterday, and she is working on it:

"Let me start by saying that it is not a crazy idea and is actually what I have been working on recently. I even have a proposal in DARPA on testing the performance of the material at supersonic speeds. At this time, our data covers up to a speed close to 1Km/s as you mentioned. We have not tested the performance at higher speed and that is what I was hoping to conduct soon."

(I asked if it could be used for space debris at 8-15km/s, and apologized for asking a crazy question)

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#35
post #8

What if you shoot twice at the same spot?

If you can reliably hit a target that small, you could just shoot the other fellow in the eye and not worry about armor.

No. You're confusing consistency with accuracy.

To hit someone in the eye, you've got to aim at their eye and land a round there. That is, accuracy at hitting a pre-specified target.

To hit armour in the same location twice, you need either two (or more rounds) delivered consistently on whatever happens to be where the first round lands. It's a case where being a Texas Sharpshooter actually works (painting bullseyes around the bullet holes you just shot into a barn).

A compound impactor with a leading and secondary round might work, for example. Difficult to package into a small-arms round, but possible. Keeping everything on the same impact point would be the crucial element.

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#36
post #10

The part about shielding radiation sounds dubious to me. I thought shielding from radiation was mostly about mass. How is that foam supposed to shield better than cast metal of the same weight? Maybe the "foam" deteriorates less?

They outperformed aluminum because of the iron content in the steel of the sphere walls or the matrix itself of the steel-steel composite metal foam.

The composite metal foam that was comparable to lead utilized steel with higher concentrations of tungsten and vanadium.

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#37
post #11

Are there any potential downsides to this stuff? It seems too good to be true.

It's going to be expensive, may not meaningfully improve survival in actual combat situations, and may not actually be successfully deployed. How could this be extraordinarily effective at stopping bullets but not meaningfully improve survival? Fairly few American soldiers are killed by gunfire which directly strikes them; even fewer of these soldiers are killed by gunfire which directly strikes them on their armor.…

If existing armor is already effective enough, improved materials means we can have the same effectiveness at lower weight. This could improve survival by increasing mobility or allowing soldiers to carry heavier non-armor equipment.

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#39
post #3

Neat, though of course this raises the question: what would it take to engineer a foam-piercing bullet?

I'm not an expert, but after some Googling, I think the bullet they're using there consists of a steel core inside a lead envelope inside a copper or copper-nickel jacket. So, at a guess, you'd want to replace the steel with something much harder and/or denser. Tungsten, maybe? I dunno. Depleted uranium would probably do it; I've never heard of it being used in anti-personnel rounds, but in cannon sizes it pokes hole…

There are several rounds the military uses for small arms. 50 BMG and 5.56 NATO both have tungsten versions, though they are expensive, and hard for non-military to buy (when found, $50/rnd). Even the military does not normally issue them due to the cost, which is ~2-10x of a standard lead+steel round.

Re: Metal foam obliterates bullets

#40
post #10

The part about shielding radiation sounds dubious to me. I thought shielding from radiation was mostly about mass. How is that foam supposed to shield better than cast metal of the same weight? Maybe the "foam" deteriorates less?

"foam" is the right way of thinking, it's not some thin bubbles of mostly air, from comment above :

> The metal foam is made of 2mm-diameter hollow steel spheres in a stainless steel matrix (created using powder metallurgy).

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