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The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by LouisSayers »

palakchokshi wrote: post #20
visakanv wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always wanted this, so badly.

Here's how I envision that use case with a bot called JEEVES. ME: Hey have you guys watched Zootopia yet? FRIEND 1: Nah I want to but didn't have the time. I'm free tonight if you want to go. FRIEND 2: Yeah count me in too ME: JEEVES find us a movie theater close to us that's playing Zootopia tonight. JEEVES: There are 3 theaters close to all of you that's playing Zootopia tonight. Theater 1 at (map)Location 1 is pla…

I believe this violates the single responsibility principle...

But seriously, do you really want all the Jeeves text showing up in your chat? Isn't that kind of annoying - like showing your friends your working when trying to give them the answer to a math equation?

Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by veb »

trimtab wrote: post #30

Yes, you too can be the next startup to place your complete destiny in the hands of an organization that owns the walled garden you are sharecropping, that can watch your every monetizing success, copy it without penalty at any time of their choosing and then cut you out going forward. You better have completed your "liquidity event" before that happens.

A better attitude is to get in while it's good, and get out in time. This can be big profit.

I agree with what you're saying, but if you don't fool yourself into thinking you're safe, and you have a proper game plan (or simply don't invest too much!) you'll be fine. If you make money, sweet! If not, eh.

Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by LouisSayers »

greyman wrote: post #26
hacknat wrote: post #3

"Conversational commerce" No thank you.

Why? I am looking forward to it. For example now, if I order a hotel, I might book it via phone or email, and then I get a notification email about the order. And... let's say one year later I want to book again - I think it is more convenient if I can do it via chat application, where I would just chat with the hotel, and whats most important, the previous communication is still there in history and I can refer to i…

It's called a browser... Why stay in FB to do this?

Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by nostrademons »

trimtab wrote: post #30

Yes, you too can be the next startup to place your complete destiny in the hands of an organization that owns the walled garden you are sharecropping, that can watch your every monetizing success, copy it without penalty at any time of their choosing and then cut you out going forward. You better have completed your "liquidity event" before that happens.

Pretty much every startup is forced to work under those conditions. Microsoft and Apple grew up in the shadow of the IBM monopoly, and Apple was almost killed by it. PayPal was a feature of EBay's, with 90+% of their users being EBay sellers. Google and Facebook grew up under the IE monopoly - Microsoft had total control over the channel to their users. Twitter's product was copied by Facebook a couple months after it came out.

Big companies aren't in the habit of leaving virgin territory where new startups can take root, and every startup needs users.

The startups that succeed are the ones who make their userbase passionate enough to resist the initial competition from the big company who they're sharecropping on, long enough to build footholds on other competing platforms that'll give them leverage.

Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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trimtab wrote: post #30

Yes, you too can be the next startup to place your complete destiny in the hands of an organization that owns the walled garden you are sharecropping, that can watch your every monetizing success, copy it without penalty at any time of their choosing and then cut you out going forward. You better have completed your "liquidity event" before that happens.

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Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by tdkl »

pjc50 wrote: post #28

"Conversational commerce" has a critical problem: in whose interests is the bot operating? Is it an unbiased-as-possible purchase agent working on your behalf, or it is a salesman on commission? Will it route you to the best option or the one that makes the most money for its owners? How do you know? Currently the nearest thing I do to conversational commerce is Skyscanner and Digikey-style selective refinement.

I'm pretty sure that Facebooks in the first place.

Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by [deleted] »

nutmeg wrote: post #7

I think he is more on the mark about streaming video than conversational commerce / bots. If you are a regular Facebook user, you can get an idea of where they are headed with the notifications that get greater priority and what is more likely to appear in your feed. I have noticed greater visibility of Events and Live Video streaming. When a friend starts a live stream, I get a notification that shows up on my lock…

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Re: The Fourth Facebook Goldrush Just Started

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Post by natrius »

hackuser wrote: post #15

Unless I misunderstand, conversational commerce bots seem to want to solve the problem of the interface between users' natural language and software's logic (i.e., it's an application of NLP). But I doubt AI will be good enough to do that, and I expect that I'll still have to think about fitting my words to the software's understanding. Why would these bots work better than Siri?

They will work far better than Siri because they have a constrained world to work in. Every call center has scripts for their predefined scenarios. AI chat bots navigate a world that fits in a book, but Siri has to navigate the whole world.
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