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Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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Can anyone explain how a chat-based interface can possibly be generally successful except briefly as a novelty? Surely an UI with controls specific to the task at hand is much better than having the user guess what the bot responds to and what it can do? In the restaurant use case, for instance, a QR code + text URL that points to a website where you can advertise the restaurant with whatever graphics and UI you want…

At least they're internet famous among developers for being the guys who blew up NPM, so maybe now everyone will be excited to start working with them?

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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post #23

BTW: KiK (different capitalization, full name: KiK Textilien und Non-Food GmbH) is also a German fashion seller: http://www.kik.de/

I'm conflicted. I think I want kik.de to sue these guys for trademark =\

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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I have no idea why people use these programs over straight up SMS.

kik in particular? Or chat programs in general? 1: International SMS isn't free (US-centric viewpoint, what's the situation in other countries?). 2: No character limit. Which is bypassed with MMS. Which introduces its own limitations when sharing media (reduced resolution/quality of video and images, for example). 3: Potentially, depending on the particular client, not tied to your phone number in a way that others c…

Chat programs in general, and the people that use them.

I've never had a problem with SMS length as my phone splits messages into separate messages automatically.

SMS is free as hell in Canada and USA. I didn't realize the situation wasn't the same worldwide. Why is it not?

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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post #7

Can anyone explain how a chat-based interface can possibly be generally successful except briefly as a novelty? Surely an UI with controls specific to the task at hand is much better than having the user guess what the bot responds to and what it can do? In the restaurant use case, for instance, a QR code + text URL that points to a website where you can advertise the restaurant with whatever graphics and UI you want…

It can be, but with a bunch of caveats that I'm not sure people are fully aware of. There's a fair bit of over-enthusiasm about chat interfaces and IMO not a lot of realization of its limitations. The usefulness of chat interfaces is proportional to how complex the task is and how poorly the user understands the scope and structure of the task. To use a contrived example, if you have no idea what's left in your fridg…

> Simple/well understood things like "call an Uber" I think will be pretty DOA if you try to shoehorn a chatbot into the middle - users will prefer the actual UI over it any day of the week.

I completely disagree when it comes to texting (voice is dif.). I have no interest in waiting for my uber app to load, get me a quote and than order me a ride... I would much rather use a chatbot to look up quick and easy things.

If it's a one off piece of information that I can ask in 1-2 queries/interactions with a bot...I would much rather that over opening an app. Especially, if I can look something up quickly without leaving the current UI i'm using.

I also think you are ignoring all the many use cases that are made possible that were never before possible (i.e. the ability for chatbots to augment humans to achieve access at scale), and the many business models that can shave off 20-30% of their labor costs with well executed chat bots.

I also think it's important to think about the bots calling other bots use case, which might become even more important. Just because you can't envision a human preferring a bot over an app with simple/well understood things...doesn't mean there wont be many use cases where a current bot you are using talks to other bots on your behalf, so the UI choice is never made by you. Finally, and most importantly, if chat bots start replacing parts of discovery, search and research, it will become crucially important to make sure your brands are found and used by bots and people over your competitors brands and bots.

Think of doing SEO in 2002. If you got it right, you banked tens of millions with minimal effort.

I can't predict the future, but viewing chat bots as a UI alternative limits its actual scope.

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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The comments on the AVC blog are full of an unbelievable amount of ass kissing.

That being said, the content is solid and I read pretty much whatever Fred writes even though my focus is not on B2C.

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

#37

Let's take an example of a general personal assistant chat bot experience and compare it to a brand chat bot experience. Remember in both cases we are typing our conversation not speaking it General/PA chat bot Me: What movies are playing tonight? BOT: HBO has XYZ from 8PM to 10PM, UVW from 10PM to midnight. Starz has ABC from 7:30PM to 10:00PM, DEF from 10PM to 12:30AM Me: No I mean what movies are playing in theate…

fair point, not withstanding what these bots can know/learn about you and your preferences.

More importantly though, the general bot would have to connect to all those APIs...however, if each theater has their own bot, than perhaps the general bot can query those bots without integrating with them. So, I guess the question becomes, are bots useful to other bots..if so, than everyone will need their own bot to be found by general bots.

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

kik in particular? Or chat programs in general? 1: International SMS isn't free (US-centric viewpoint, what's the situation in other countries?). 2: No character limit. Which is bypassed with MMS. Which introduces its own limitations when sharing media (reduced resolution/quality of video and images, for example). 3: Potentially, depending on the particular client, not tied to your phone number in a way that others c…

Chat programs in general, and the people that use them. I've never had a problem with SMS length as my phone splits messages into separate messages automatically. SMS is free as hell in Canada and USA. I didn't realize the situation wasn't the same worldwide. Why is it not?

I believe it's free within most countries. What's not free is across most nation boundaries (particularly non-adjacent nations). It's mostly because you're dealing with the interaction of several different networks. Also, if a company has a lock on its customers, it'll charge them what it wants to charge them.

Other problems with SMS: Message order isn't guaranteed. Message delivery isn't guaranteed. You receive no notice what state a message is in (in transit, delivered, viewed). It's an unreliable medium tied directly to your phone (short using a service like Google Voice) and only to your phone (ok, less true these days, at least in the Apple ecosystem, where I can see and send SMS messages through my Mac if my phone is on the same wifi network). Still requires the presence of my phone in that last example.

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i pimp everything, so i guess that means everything is a dud. i am an equal opportunity pimper. i plan on pimping again tomorrow on AVC

I read your blog a lot. Thanks for writing it. But some of the conclusions you're trying to draw in this post feel forced. The "websites -> apps -> bots" deal especially jumps out to me as odd.

many websites, apps, bots conceptually share the same goal: to let users interact with a database. they represent different ways to read and write company data, and as such have different strengths and weaknesses. websites, for instance, are terrific for discovery/browsing activities while chat bots could be terrific for transactional activities (e.g., amazon, cancel my last order).

today, the problem with bots is that natural language AI is extremely difficult, so many criticisms hold true: websites and apps are better than bots for most tasks. today.

but that is similar to someone in 1994 saying that online shopping was worse than offline shopping. yes, it was. but technology improved to where online shopping -- for many cases, but not all -- became better than offline shopping.

the real question: if you believe AI will evolve to where chatting with a company bot is indistinguishable from chatting with the company's top human employee/representative -- e.g., imagine the equivalent of jeff bezos personally handling your amazon queries and transactions -- would a bot become the more natural interface for many activities?

Re: The Kik Bot Platform

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post #32
post #23

BTW: KiK (different capitalization, full name: KiK Textilien und Non-Food GmbH) is also a German fashion seller: http://www.kik.de/

I'm conflicted. I think I want kik.de to sue these guys for trademark =\

They're in very different product domains, so trademark doesn't apply.

See: http://nissan.com/

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