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The James Webb Telescope, the largest science project in US government history

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"Putting an astronomical telescope in space was a natural solution, and it followed directly—and, according to some, very directly—from the spy satellite program." Can anyone expand upon this? I know the NRO has recently donated some of its old gear to NASA, but is there much cross-pollination between the space-operating agencies?

No, there is not much cross-pollination between science agencies and the military agencies. When I was in astronomy one of the professors in my department was on the committee to figure out what to do with the old telescopes that the NRO donated to NASA. From what he said, no one in the astronomy community had any idea that these telescopes existed and they learned about them from the New York Times, just like everybody else.

It has turned out to have put the astronomy community in a bit of an awkward position. Although the telescopes are free, they still need to be outfitted with appropriate instruments, and, of course, launched into space. Each of those projects costs roughly as much as the telescope itself, so the donation really only covers ~1/3 of the total cost of putting a working telescope in space. Unfortunately, the community just doesn't have the budget to do that. Furthermore, the telescopes aren't really ideal for astronomy since they were designed to look down rather than up. (That is, they are designed to focus on relatively nearby objects rather than on objects "at infinity.") But politically we can't turn the telescopes down, since that projects a bad image to Congress. Beggars can't be choosers, after all, so we have to look grateful while we try to scrape together the funds to get something useful out of them.

Re: The James Webb Telescope, the largest science project in US government history

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The cryocooler for the infrared imager has proven to be the toughest design issue with JWST, at least so far, and AFAIK it's still on the critical path for the mission. ( http://spacenews.com/northrop-grumman-at-last-set-to-ship-tr... ) I was surprised the cryocooler was not mentioned in the article. The sunshade is there, but that's not nearly as big an engineering challenge.

Fair point.

But try to juggle context, tutorial scientific background, factual overview, news, human interest, and inspiration, and you'll be amazed how fast your allotted 3,000 words gets used up.

Re: The James Webb Telescope, the largest science project in US government history

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The cryocooler for the infrared imager has proven to be the toughest design issue with JWST, at least so far, and AFAIK it's still on the critical path for the mission. ( http://spacenews.com/northrop-grumman-at-last-set-to-ship-tr... ) I was surprised the cryocooler was not mentioned in the article. The sunshade is there, but that's not nearly as big an engineering challenge.

Fair point. But try to juggle context, tutorial scientific background, factual overview, news, human interest, and inspiration, and you'll be amazed how fast your allotted 3,000 words gets used up.

Sure, I get it. You covered a lot of ground.

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I work at NASA Goddard where JWST is being assembled and by coincidence I went over to look at it today and take a picture. Looking at it from the observation area, I am once again reminded how enormous this thing is! Getting a look at something like this can help restore one's perspective, when one is having a bad day, and be reminded of the amazing things that are done here. I am not attached to JWST but the group I'm currently in did some work on the detectors years ago. NASA has a lot riding on this instrument, to be sure. I look forward to the amazing things it will show us when it's finally on station doing science.

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This article also fails to mention that this beautiful, shiny telescope will assemble itself with atomic precision after having the snot shook out of it at several G's by the launch vehicle to get it there. In exoplanet identification and characterization is where I bet the Webb will make it's place in history for the researchers. IR is a great frequency to show liquid / gaseous water in an atmosphere of an earth lik…

All of NASA will be on sedatives until this thing unfolds itself successfully. It's even more scary than the Curiosity sky crane landing system.

Re: The James Webb Telescope, the largest science project in US government history

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I work at NASA Goddard where JWST is being assembled and by coincidence I went over to look at it today and take a picture. Looking at it from the observation area, I am once again reminded how enormous this thing is! Getting a look at something like this can help restore one's perspective, when one is having a bad day, and be reminded of the amazing things that are done here. I am not attached to JWST but the group…

Humans for scale:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/JWST_peo...

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I work at NASA Goddard where JWST is being assembled and by coincidence I went over to look at it today and take a picture. Looking at it from the observation area, I am once again reminded how enormous this thing is! Getting a look at something like this can help restore one's perspective, when one is having a bad day, and be reminded of the amazing things that are done here. I am not attached to JWST but the group…

Can you share that photo?

And also who would I ask about getting a tour? ;)

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I work at NASA Goddard where JWST is being assembled and by coincidence I went over to look at it today and take a picture. Looking at it from the observation area, I am once again reminded how enormous this thing is! Getting a look at something like this can help restore one's perspective, when one is having a bad day, and be reminded of the amazing things that are done here. I am not attached to JWST but the group…

Can you share that photo? And also who would I ask about getting a tour? ;)

I don't have an account on any photo sharing service. I'll have to set one up.

Goddard has a visitor center, but I don't think there are public tours of the center itself. We do have open house events from time to time. The best way it to ask someone who works here to show you around. Are you in the DC area?

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Nice article, but the diagram halfway down that shows the EM spectrum.... I'm scratching my head over why "Audio" is apparently now electromagnetism.

Audio signals may - and usually are - represented by EM waves. Do not confuse "audio signals" with "acoustic signals". The diagram is not only easy to understand, but also technically correct.

> The diagram is not only easy to understand, but also technically correct.

It's not easy to understand and I still don't understand it. What is audio doing on this diagram?

Re: The James Webb Telescope, the largest science project in US government history

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This article also fails to mention that this beautiful, shiny telescope will assemble itself with atomic precision after having the snot shook out of it at several G's by the launch vehicle to get it there. In exoplanet identification and characterization is where I bet the Webb will make it's place in history for the researchers. IR is a great frequency to show liquid / gaseous water in an atmosphere of an earth lik…

All of NASA will be on sedatives until this thing unfolds itself successfully. It's even more scary than the Curiosity sky crane landing system.

JWST seems like too much for NASA given the record. Galileo's high-gain antenna deployment failure, Hubble optics flaws, numerous near fatal problems with GP-B, MCO burning up... all of these and more speak to NASA's track record with complex space observatories.

At L2 JWST will be beyond the reach of astronauts at the time it's launched, so all this stuff; cryocoolers, folded sunshield, folded reflector, etc. have to `just work' with no opportunity for repairs. It just doesn't seem likely.

I desperately want it to work, but if it were up to me I'd trade it in for a large but mechanically simple optical interferometer, launched by spacex or whomever, bolted together at the IIS and operated from a serviceable orbit. That would be a lot closer to what one should expect of NASA.

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