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South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by skypather »

msbarnett wrote: post #25
sikim wrote: post #11

As a South Korean who experienced/heard about many government-backed researches, I strongly feel that this will go nowhere. Most of the time, there's always some bribery involved and project never finishes or come even close to that of the tech companies in US. The government then realizes it can't be done even with more money and puts the money elsewhere just to repeat the same thing. The examples that I can think o…

Yeah. Congrats to Samsung in advance on their $860 million donation.

Good one. :-)

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by adrianN »

mchahn wrote: post #18
sedachv wrote: post #16

The Japanese government tried this exact same idea for AI in the 1980s: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/05/business/fifth-generation-... These 5 year targeted research (IMO an oxymoron) plans are always a waste of money, especially if they involve private for-profit companies. Take that money and spend it on 20 years of grants for basic computer science/robotics research in universities and then you will actually get…

I think the situation may be different now that AI is actually working.

For certain values of "actually working", it has been doing so for quite some time.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by vmorgulis »

w1ntermute wrote: post #20
sikim wrote: post #11

As a South Korean who experienced/heard about many government-backed researches, I strongly feel that this will go nowhere. Most of the time, there's always some bribery involved and project never finishes or come even close to that of the tech companies in US. The government then realizes it can't be done even with more money and puts the money elsewhere just to repeat the same thing. The examples that I can think o…

That reminds me of what an engineer said about Quaero[0], a Franco-German attempt to create a competitor to Google search: > Going head-to-head with Google with a project involving well-funded, energetic entrepreneurs would be foolish. Attempting the same with a multigovernment collaboration is beyond description.[1] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaero 1: http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/loser-whats-the-…

Yes and Exalead was involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exalead

I guess they are still widely indirectly funded by the state.

A better strategy would to distribute the money to more companies a bit like VCs do.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by logicallee »

besselheim wrote: post #13
logicallee wrote: post #8

EDIT: I've chosen to delete this comment. I disagree with the reply it received, and it also received numerous downvotes.

That sounds unlikely. We don't yet know the structure of the human brain in full detail, nor know everything about how it grows and develops, so how can you possibly replicate it?

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I have nothing to add to this thread here. My two non-comments (this one and grandparent comment), already are at -4 and -4. I wish I could delete them, but can't since they have replies.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by free2rhyme214 »

sedachv wrote: post #16

The Japanese government tried this exact same idea for AI in the 1980s: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/05/business/fifth-generation-... These 5 year targeted research (IMO an oxymoron) plans are always a waste of money, especially if they involve private for-profit companies. Take that money and spend it on 20 years of grants for basic computer science/robotics research in universities and then you will actually get…

History repeats itself. Did South Korea learn anything from Japan?

To create AGI you need more than money.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by ChrisGranger »

runn1ng wrote: post #22

I don't understand ELO and game ratings, but I find it funny that after about 10 matches, Google AlphaGo is now rated as 2nd strongest player in the world.

Elo is a comparative system, so your rating is based on your performance against others with regard to their ratings. It's not surprising that, even though it has only played for a short time, AlphaGo is already rated that high given it mopped the floor 4-1 with one of the best players who has ever lived. Expect it to be rated 1st soon, if that's the goal of the team behind it.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by jonknee »

oldstrangers wrote: post #3
wrong_variable wrote: post #2

Oh My, The last time south korea's govt wanted to fuk some shit up. they destroyed the British shipping industry and took over the global electronics industry. Silicon Valley's VC money is nothing compared to what a nation state can achieve.

They're spending less than a billion. Google/Alphabet is surely spending more than that.

They paid more than $500 just to acquire revenue free Deep Mind, so it's safe to say that yes Google is spending more than a billion on AI/ML.

Re: South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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Post by besselheim »

logicallee wrote: post #35
besselheim wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds unlikely. We don't yet know the structure of the human brain in full detail, nor know everything about how it grows and develops, so how can you possibly replicate it?

you can email me if you'd like my thoughts on any subject I've written about. - EDIT: in reply to your question about why I wouldn't answer here, here is an email I've received recently on another subject I've posted about: "It's a bit annoying when the HN crowd take to downvoting rather than taking the time to understand your point of view; I've been on the receiving end of that more than a few times and I know just…

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