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Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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Google itself isn't helping to distinguish URLs vs. Search when they make the address bar in Chrome do both. FWIW, If I type "facebook", it sends me straight to facebook.com, "twitter" takes me to search results.

..That's the point.

They're trying to INTEGRSTE search and address bar. They've succeeded. And it's far, far more usable than having them separate (for most people, people like my parents, my grandparents, etc).

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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The address bar in the browser is totally broken from a usability standpoint. If you change it, it doesn't reflect the page you are looking at. This means for example that you can get into a screwed up situation where: - you are looking at page a - page b is being loaded - page c is displayed in the address bar Which is not only highly confusing in itself, it also looks identical to page c being loaded. There is just…

That's only the start of it. How many people who use the web know what http means, or why it appears in their address bar? And how many people at all know what :// is for?

:// isn't for anything (the "//" anyway): http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/the-webs-inventor-r...

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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holy smokes that's hard to read. i waited a few seconds for the styling to finish... but it never did.

For Opera users, you can change the styling of any page to black-on-white:

In Opera stable, it's view -> style -> High Contrast (B/W).

In the beta, it's page tools -> style -> High Contrast (B/W).

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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The part of this post that stood out for me was the very bottom, where the author alludes to old politicians who are mostly ignorant of the Internet and modern technology. There is something pretty scary about the people 'in charge' being oblivious to something so significant.

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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When lawyers go drinking together they laugh at stories of criminals who don't even understand the basics of evidence law.

When doctors have coffee breaks they share stories about how modern people don't even understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria and demand antibiotics for the common cold.

Latin professors share hilarious pictures of people who have tattooed themselves with incoherently mistranslated latin tags.

Every profession thinks that the general population is full of dunces who don't understand the basics of the highly important body of knowledge that they are experts in...

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, even if you don't use the web on a consistent basis, you actually do still depend on it. When people coordinate shipping groceries, they use the internet. When people plan any aspect of any product you use, they use the internet. When newscasters and radio announcers ready their words and check their facts, they benefit greatly from the internet. One of the greatest benefits of the internet is that i…

He's not arguing the web isn't important. He's saying that for a TON of people, they don't need to use it personally, and see no reason to put in the (sometimes) massive amount of effort to learn how to use the web. Their lives go on just fine without their direct involvement. Also, it is useless to cry "How terrible that so many people don't understand! What a failure!" -- The only failure here is the failure to mak…

He said that the internet is not something that society absolutely cannot function without. He is wrong. Society very much depends on the internet. The fact that not everyone has a Faceboook profile is inconsequential to this, and I would point out that the one does not follow the other.

Further, saying that the failure lies in the fact that we need to "make software just as intuitive as older technology", is just hilarious. Since when is "older technology" intuitive? Simple, sure, but intuitive? It's not like the natural state of an old-fashioned phone call is fraught with complexity, and that phone companies have won a major victory by wrapping them in a simple user interface. You just call, then you're done. If that's intuitive, I assure you, it's accidental. And have you ever sent a letter before? What's intuitive about addressing an envelope, or styling your letter accordingly? What's intuitive about stamping it and sending off? We've been doing it forever, but that doesn't make it natural.

What you want to say is that we should be making software a simple and familiar as older technology. But at what cost? I love my smart phone, and as far as I'm concerned, it's about as close to being as simple as it can get, while still implementing all these features I like. I'm not switching to a Jitterbug any time soon. Sure, it's intuitive, but it's also simple. My phone is intuitive and functional. That's a win for me.

The fact is, at the end of the day, progress is made by breaking the norm. I don't want to go back to the simplicity of old phones; I don't want to look everything up at a library; I don't want to do everything the "old" way. But with these leaps in progress, a lot of people have been left behind.

Yes, that's a problem. Yes, that's a failure.

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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post #35

When lawyers go drinking together they laugh at stories of criminals who don't even understand the basics of evidence law. When doctors have coffee breaks they share stories about how modern people don't even understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria and demand antibiotics for the common cold. Latin professors share hilarious pictures of people who have tattooed themselves with incoherently mistranslat…

And each of those things is an important thing that the general populace should know in order to navigate life. Aren't sure what that latin tag you're getting permanently tattooed on your body means? Don't get it tattooed on your body.

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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post #35

When lawyers go drinking together they laugh at stories of criminals who don't even understand the basics of evidence law. When doctors have coffee breaks they share stories about how modern people don't even understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria and demand antibiotics for the common cold. Latin professors share hilarious pictures of people who have tattooed themselves with incoherently mistranslat…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Déformation_professionnelle

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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Contrary to the title, what this article describes is obvious. The people yelling out "OMG WTF LOL" are just teenagers attempting to define their own identity by declaring the cluelessness of the older generation... nothing novel there.

Plus, the actual number of comments is unimpressive, given Facebook's size and demographics, a couple hundred confused comments does not seem especially significant considering the prominence and placement of the hit under Google.

Re: Confused Facebook user debacle not what it seems.

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post #35

When lawyers go drinking together they laugh at stories of criminals who don't even understand the basics of evidence law. When doctors have coffee breaks they share stories about how modern people don't even understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria and demand antibiotics for the common cold. Latin professors share hilarious pictures of people who have tattooed themselves with incoherently mistranslat…

This is likely true. However, using the Internet isn't a profession. It is a globally-scaled phenomenon that is essentially 'the future'. Anyone can learn how to use it and become an 'expert' for basically no cost and little time. People get made fun of not necessarily for being dunces, but for not choosing to embrace and learn about a technology that is already a huge part of their lives.
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