Live data from Hacker News

Should All Research Papers Be Free?

nytimes.com

31–40 of 327 posts

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#31
post #20
post #5

I feel especially strongly that papers that result from taxpayer-funded research should be free.

Are you, as a taxpayer, willing to pay (your share of) the extra $1000 or so per paper that it would take?

Even if it did cost $1000, which it doesn't. Tax pays the salaries and materials to do the research, which is more like 10k to 100k, an additional 1k overhead is a drop in the ocean.

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#32
post #20
post #5

I feel especially strongly that papers that result from taxpayer-funded research should be free.

Are you, as a taxpayer, willing to pay (your share of) the extra $1000 or so per paper that it would take?

Maybe public funders ought to claim copyright on any work produced, and require open access publication.

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#33
post #5

I feel especially strongly that papers that result from taxpayer-funded research should be free.

From a government / national perspective should it be free world wide?

If so, why should nations give away their expensive research that potentially give them an edge either military or commercially?

Personally I almost never traded technology when I played civilization, let alone give it away!

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#34
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you, as a taxpayer, willing to pay (your share of) the extra $1000 or so per paper that it would take?

Given academic salary and researcher publication rate, I am confident that it is far less than $1000 you pulled out of air. How much did your tax go up when NIH mandated free publication, after a 2-years period?

FTA:

>But that financial model requires authors to pay a processing charge that can run anywhere from $1,500 to $3,000 per article so the publisher can recoup its costs.

They may have pulled it out of thin air (although I've seen similar numbers elsewhere, this doesn't seem to be in dispute).

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#35
post #27
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you, as a taxpayer, willing to pay (your share of) the extra $1000 or so per paper that it would take?

$1000 for what? The research and paper writing was already funded by the tax payer. Peer review is done for free by other researchers today. Journals provide very little value for the money they extort for paper access.

FTA:

>But that financial model requires authors to pay a processing charge that can run anywhere from $1,500 to $3,000 per article so the publisher can recoup its costs.

Edit: also, I don't expect margins of 30% from companies producing very low value. Do you really think that if they'd lower their margin to 0, with prices of around 30% less, everyone would stop complaining?

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#36
post #5

I feel especially strongly that papers that result from taxpayer-funded research should be free.

From a government / national perspective should it be free world wide? If so, why should nations give away their expensive research that potentially give them an edge either military or commercially? Personally I almost never traded technology when I played civilization, let alone give it away!

Nationally-funded research that's published in expensive journals is still very much available to the rest of the world. That's true with about anything that's published...

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#37
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you, as a taxpayer, willing to pay (your share of) the extra $1000 or so per paper that it would take?

Even if it did cost $1000, which it doesn't. Tax pays the salaries and materials to do the research, which is more like 10k to 100k, an additional 1k overhead is a drop in the ocean.

FTA: >But that financial model requires authors to pay a processing charge that can run anywhere from $1,500 to $3,000 per article so the publisher can recoup its costs.

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#38
post #32
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you, as a taxpayer, willing to pay (your share of) the extra $1000 or so per paper that it would take?

Maybe public funders ought to claim copyright on any work produced, and require open access publication.

That's a perfectly fine policy, if they want to implement it. Just note that it will increase the cost of every paper, because they now need to pay for open access.

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#39
post #2

Some things, like dissemination of knowledge, are truly in the interest of all humanity. It seems criminal that a few hundred people at the publishing houses should benefit at the expense of billions' welfare.

"It seems criminal that a few hundred people at the publishing houses should benefit at the expense of billions' welfare"

To me it doesn't seem criminal. It is criminal, for to keep knowledge in the hands of the few and privileged to the detriment of the majority of all humanity is a crime. But not only does the Industry keep this knowledge to itself, it prevents even those who directly fund it (tax payers in developed countries) from accessing it themselves.

I honestly despise those journals who manipulate the current system for profit, just as I and I believe most anyone, would despise any organization or individual manipulating a system at the expense of the well-being of the many.

And I laude sci-hub and Elbakyan for something I consider a service to humanity.

Re: Should All Research Papers Be Free?

#40
The main problems with tax-funded research and grants is that money is given in return for citations in journals with high "impact factor". As a result, publishers of those journals are indirectly supported by the state. Instead, government or funding organizations should review the results of the work for themselves, but they are unable to do it, because they usually don't understand a thing about research subject.
Post reply on HN