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Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by wimagguc »

yev wrote: post #2

if ((!!window.opr && !!opr.addons) || !!window.opera || navigator.userAgent.indexOf(' OPR/') >= 0) { throw alert('your browser is not supported'); }

Websites can try to block users with certain browsers or ad-blockers, but that's not going to work. With a very few exceptions, content is a commodity and portals are easily replaceable.

Actually it feels like there are more people creating content than reading it these days. There is plenty of interesting content out there, so if people can't access something, they just move on to the next one and never return.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by [deleted] »

hoodoof wrote: post #19

Why would I want to deprive sites of their ad revenue? If you use ad blocking, just be sure that you and no-one you are close to depends on advertising - directly or indirectly - to get their bills paid. So damn childish to have such a sense of self righteous indignation that people turn off ads but expect the Internet to be free.

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Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by jacquesm »

distances wrote: post #15
hathym wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

forbes did it, look what happened.

Well, what happened? I stopped visiting myself, but I have no idea what was the general reaction.

> I stopped visiting myself

That's one data point that can give you an idea of what the general reaction was.

Let's find some more:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11258424

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by INTPenis »

deprave wrote: post #26

Opera has long been known for being ahead of the pack. Let's hope at least Mozilla and Microsoft follow suit...

How true you are, Opera was in fact the first browser forcing users to block Ads back in 2003 when it integrated the Ads right into the GUI. I had to create IPFW rules to block them back then, at least now that process is easier. :)

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by executesorder66 »

reasonality wrote: post #18
threatofrain wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever end is reached, there's no intuitive or trending reason why it won't be any better or worse than not using ad + tracking blockers. The end result of any side winning is simply that they get what they want; it's not going to lead to some tragedy of the commons. Either advertisers get to track people or they don't. Either people get to block things or they don't. Once upon a time there was little attention to…

Well clearly the experience for people not using ad blockers is substantially worse than it was 10 years ago. If the usage of ad blockers increases, you can bet that those not using ad blockers will be squeezed and exploited and have a thousand popups and intrusive ads thrown at them in order for the sites to recoup the lost money. So those using ad blockers are making the web worse for everyone.

> So those using ad blockers are making the web worse for everyone

How is it making the web worse for people using adblockers? Because they are a subset of "everyone"

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by eva1984 »

moonchrome wrote: post #10
reasonality wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it hurt them? You stopped leeching their bandwidth without any opportunity for them to earn any ad revenue from them! Allowing leeches on your website doesn't seem that beneficial.

Let's say two sites, A and B host similar content. The end user cannot see some content on site A because of adblock detection but he can see it on site B, he down votes the link of site A on sharing networks, he asks for a policy banning or advocates against linking to site A because content can be found on B. I've seen this play out many times , and at that point you're not just losing traffic from ad block clients…

This won't work once more and more sites join the adwall band.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by moonchrome »

eva1984 wrote: post #37
moonchrome wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say two sites, A and B host similar content. The end user cannot see some content on site A because of adblock detection but he can see it on site B, he down votes the link of site A on sharing networks, he asks for a policy banning or advocates against linking to site A because content can be found on B. I've seen this play out many times , and at that point you're not just losing traffic from ad block clients…

This won't work once more and more sites join the adwall band.

Cartel members always have incentives to cheat - if one site can become popular by not ad-walling like 90% of them do and regurgitate the content of 90% they will do it and disregard "the big picture" especially considering the low barriers to entry. They have no enforcement mechanism to keep everyone honest - the only way this sort of thing works is if you "outlaw" non-ad-walled sites - something like google not listing those sites - otherwise not happening.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by eva1984 »

aikah wrote: post #22
reasonality wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it hurt them? You stopped leeching their bandwidth without any opportunity for them to earn any ad revenue from them! Allowing leeches on your website doesn't seem that beneficial.

Well as a user I might share a link to a site that will be seen by 100 or 1000's of others, on Facebook, Reddit or whatever social network. If that website blocks me from visiting them at first place, they will also loose all the potential revenue from the viral effect. Is it what you call a leech ?

But your friends have larger chance also being ad blocker users, right? In the end, the website just get more requests and a bigger bill from ISP without getting a cent from those.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by runn1ng »

sccxy wrote: post #12

I use Opera daily. I really like its "Opera Turbo" feature. It compresses images for lower bandwith. Also uBlock Origin for ads and blocking images larger than 200KB. Saves a lot of mobile data for me.

Some people might think that Opera Turbo reduces privacy, since everything goes through a centralized proxy.
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