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In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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When I lived in SF, the categorical hate towards tech workers (I was not a tech worker back then) was nothing like "mainstream". It was just a few extremists, a few protesters I might see in the news. I didn't actually know anyone like that. Journalists made it sound like a bigger thing than it was. It's been over 3 years though. Has the anti-tech-worker hate really gone mainstream or are journalists continuing to in…

Journalists continue to inflate it. I actually think folks are coming around more and more to work with tech vs. categorically fighting against it. I think people have begun to see the systemic problems and work together on those.

Then again I did encounter a guy riding his bike around Market St. the other day screaming "Kill the Techies." But that's once in 5 years.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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The non-tech parts of this town will be devastated by a tech slowdown. Absolutely destroyed.

Devested with it, devastated without it. In summary it sucks to be on the lower rung of the economy.

The more devastation there is, the less of everything else there will be to go around. A tech downturn will just add to the misery.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the folks working in a service industry that exists only to service tech workers are going to have a very, very hard time. Q: How many sandwiches and burritos must one deliver to pay rent in the Bay Area? How many of those people that have been requesting said sandwiches and burritos will be laid off, move away or reduce discretionary spending? A: many.

I think this sentiment is exactly what gives tech workers a bad name: > All the folks working in a service industry that exists only to service tech workers are going to have a very, very hard time. "Only to service tech workers" - are you kidding? You sound like the aristocracy from Downton Abbey: "Thank god we exist to give all the peasants jobs to do."

I like to call this the 'plantation owner defense'. Any mistreatment of other peoples can be justified by 'but they would be even WORSE without us.' The original plantation owner justification being that the 'workers' (ha, euphemism!) were wild savages in a wild land, and any kind of treatment they were put through HAD to be better than what they would otherwise go through.

The other place I've seen this defense used regularly is in South Asia. People treat their servants and house workers really poorly there, and then the defense is 'sureee, they may be given the same food as we give our dogs and cats, but they would be DYINGGG of thirst and hunger in their villages without us.' Fortunately for most South Asians, more and more people are getting out of the situation where they are pretty much bonded laborers.

It seems to me that things are going in the opposite direction in the US. I have a lot to thank the US for personally, but sometimes, I get this intense emotion of schadenfreude. The increasing wealth gap, the increasing racial hostilities, outright hate for anyone who doesn't happen to be in the 'in-group'. As an American, I would be terribly terrified. As a non American I am sometimes all 'HAA, you acted if you were above everything else, as if you were post-history. Now YOU bear the baggage of history the others have had to overcome'.

My favorite are the techie-engineer-objective types. The HN Bros. I've been told over and over and over again how "history is over" and "nothing in history matters anymore because technology" and "context doesn't matter because not we have the means to establish absolute truth". Like literally. When you value technology over people, the process over the end goal, things will break. And they seem to be breaking. I am secretly glad, even though I am myself a part of this env, and might lose my livelihood too if things go South.

...Relevant to the article because it was meant to reflect how things seem to be for people outside the core bubble.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strangely enough, San Francisco was thriving 100 years before the computer chip even existed. Don't overestimate your importance. The world will move on without you.

Thriving? I think reasonable people disagree. The vast majority of people i've talked to think SF was a craphole 25 years ago. I think a lot of people have the golden age fallacy going on :)

I see you know absolutely nothing about the history of San Francisco.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Terrible public transit. A lifeless housing policy that's out of touch with local needs. Police rousting people out of one homeless encampment and then the same people just setting up a new camp a few blocks away. Racially charged police shootings.

And the problem is workers at tech companies.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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One of the interesting side-effects of Sen. Fienstien's quest to keep high-rises out of San Francisco is that _all_ real estate is more expensive. There are many people here with similarly narrow ideas about how to protect what is "theirs." A great example would be the people who throw rocks at Google busses. Everyone on that buss can afford a car and would drive to work alone (maybe carpool) if they didn't have the…

FWIW: A lot of those rock throwers were probably not in bad shape. That is because the real people being hurt were probably working their first or second job at the time that was happening, and didn't have time to throw rocks at buses because they'd get fired for not showing up to work.

Serious question: Who is getting hurt by Google driving people to work on buses. It seems like this reduces congestion, and helps the environment, which is good for everyone. What am I missing here?

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

#38

When I lived in SF, the categorical hate towards tech workers (I was not a tech worker back then) was nothing like "mainstream". It was just a few extremists, a few protesters I might see in the news. I didn't actually know anyone like that. Journalists made it sound like a bigger thing than it was. It's been over 3 years though. Has the anti-tech-worker hate really gone mainstream or are journalists continuing to in…

I actually gave an interview to a reporter for NPR recently. I work for a major tech company. Here's what I told him:

I don't feel the hatred, and I think reports of it are either from areas where I haven't been in (so single events that I missed) or it's not actually a problem.

All of his questions were leading questions into people hating on tech workers. I hang out with people of middle class, both upper and lower, go work occasionally with poorer people, and have rubbed my shoulders with a couple richer tech elite. I feel like the chances are I would've experienced the hatred.

So either I'm missing out on a lot (I don't think I am..) or they're overblown.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

#39

One of the interesting side-effects of Sen. Fienstien's quest to keep high-rises out of San Francisco is that _all_ real estate is more expensive. There are many people here with similarly narrow ideas about how to protect what is "theirs." A great example would be the people who throw rocks at Google busses. Everyone on that buss can afford a car and would drive to work alone (maybe carpool) if they didn't have the…

FWIW: A lot of those rock throwers were probably not in bad shape. That is because the real people being hurt were probably working their first or second job at the time that was happening, and didn't have time to throw rocks at buses because they'd get fired for not showing up to work.

Or they have plenty of time to throw rocks at buses because they can't find work at all.

I mean, yeah, throwing rocks is stupid and useless and counterproductive as a protest strategy, but declaring that protestors can't be victims and victims can't be protestors seems like a convenient Catch-22 for dismissing anything anyone says.

Edit: Tell me why I'm wrong, please.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

#40

The non-tech parts of this town will be devastated by a tech slowdown. Absolutely destroyed.

Strangely enough, San Francisco was thriving 100 years before the computer chip even existed. Don't overestimate your importance. The world will move on without you.

Your condescension is as misplaced as your argument, which is a truism verging on non-sequitar.
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