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Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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Screw genetic modification, I'd be interested to see what wacky deviations we see in a generation or so without it. Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history.

Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history.

What exactly does this mean? Is there a place where I can learn more about it?

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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If I understand correctly, techniques like CRISPR might allow for for gene editing in adult humans. If so, how much would you be willing to pay to have your IQ increased by say 10 points? I think I would be willing to pay $10,000 if the risks of something bad happening because of the treatment would be low.

You would also need some way of re-inducing plasticity in the brain's connectome. This seems less likely to be feasible after adulthood.

Also, IQ is a lousy measurement scale. Ten points means a lot more to someone with an 85 or 95 IQ than to someone with 120.

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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post #23

I don't know if there is any statistical correlation or not, but (as the article alludes to) it does seem that super intelligent people are more prone to some kind of other deficiencies, and particularly social issues. Can anyone shed more light on whether this is true or not? Anecdotally, one of my best friends (extremely intelligent, Cum Laude engineering student) went "off the rails" a few years after graduating.…

The article actually addresses the issue, saying that " observations have shown that essentially all “primitive” cognitive abilities—short and long term memory, the use of language, the use of quantities and numbers, the visualization of geometric relationships, pattern recognition, and so on—are positively correlated."

So, in a nutshell : on average, being super smart at math means you are probably verbally smart too.

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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Superhuman intelligence needs to have the corresponding nurturing factor as well. It won't do much good if you are born super-smart but are trapped in poverty or circumstances which limit your potential. Plus there is also the EQ (emotional) quotient. Not many people are going to want your company if you are a super-intelligent asshole either.

> It won't do much good if you are born super-smart but are trapped in poverty or circumstances which limit your potential. I'd argue the opposite. If you're in a tougher situation, there's a lot more for you to gain by applying your intelligence.

Poverty causes much more than can be helped. Bad schools that are falling apart, a lack of opportunity, and the effects of long term stress on the brain are all things that will affect any person regardless of intelligence.

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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post #31
post #20

Screw genetic modification, I'd be interested to see what wacky deviations we see in a generation or so without it. Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history.

Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history. What exactly does this mean? Is there a place where I can learn more about it?

It means dating sites and college preferences are putting similar people together at an unprecedented rate:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assortative_mating

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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post #23

I don't know if there is any statistical correlation or not, but (as the article alludes to) it does seem that super intelligent people are more prone to some kind of other deficiencies, and particularly social issues. Can anyone shed more light on whether this is true or not? Anecdotally, one of my best friends (extremely intelligent, Cum Laude engineering student) went "off the rails" a few years after graduating.…

> he was seeing things 5 steps ahead of everyone else, and had such an extremely deep insight into every day things

I had a period when I experienced this for some time. I can confirm it's deeply frustrating. You see all the madness very clearly. You see theoretical solutions to everything, know it could have been different. But you also understand you're quite alone and not influential enough. Generally, you're better off being average.

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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post #20

Screw genetic modification, I'd be interested to see what wacky deviations we see in a generation or so without it. Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history.

If I understand the wiki on assortative mating, it supports your statement.

However, in the last couple centuries there have also been greatly increased migrations globally, leading to increased mating across cultures and races. These events will be carried in the gene pool, maybe forever, and repeated. Intuitively, even if they're outliers, these matings will trend the gene pool towards more homogeneity.

Is this intuition correct? How do biologists reconcile the views?

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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post #23

I don't know if there is any statistical correlation or not, but (as the article alludes to) it does seem that super intelligent people are more prone to some kind of other deficiencies, and particularly social issues. Can anyone shed more light on whether this is true or not? Anecdotally, one of my best friends (extremely intelligent, Cum Laude engineering student) went "off the rails" a few years after graduating.…

That touches on the issue I had with the article as well.

> "But psychometric studies, which seek to measure the nature of intelligence, paint a different picture. Millions of observations have shown that essentially all “primitive” cognitive abilities—short and long term memory, the use of language, the use of quantities and numbers, the visualization of geometric relationships, pattern recognition, and so on—are positively correlated."

Whilst it might have been "proven" in the lab, that's not what is apparent with day to day experiences. If we split 'intelligence' into 'academic intelligence' and 'emotional intelligence', it's rare to find someone who excels with both. It's not just a matter of capacity, our abilities are a reflection of what we devote our energy to.

To explain why it's important to make the distinction between different types of intelligence... to put it simply, academic intelligence makes a difference in abstract thinking, developing new ideas and refining existing ones. However, emotional intelligence guides us on how best to spend our time. Emotional intelligence is a close relative to wisdom. We need it to guide us. If not, we'll end up doing things because we can, rather than whether we should, and with the power of super-intelligence that's something we'll need more than ever.

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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Some of the assumptions in this article are very ambiguous and makes the reading quite disturbing. I don't grasp the author's notions of IQ. Maybe it's me misunderstanding the writing, but IQ is more of a normative scale than an infinite scale. You don't push your IQ to 1000. It's not an anime energy level. This makes no sense.

Then there are things like "Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history" (assumption or data-based fact?)...

Re: Super-Intelligent Humans Are Coming

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post #31
post #20

Screw genetic modification, I'd be interested to see what wacky deviations we see in a generation or so without it. Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history.

Right now we've got assortative mating going on at a scale relatively unprecedented in history. What exactly does this mean? Is there a place where I can learn more about it?

I recommend reading Coming Apart by Charles Murray, where assortative mating is discussed extensively.

There are also some interesting articles you might want to read: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/upshot/marriages-of-power-...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/upshot/rise-in-marriages-o...

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21595972-how-sex...

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