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Re: Google Jibe: Better carrier messaging for everyone

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Post by grahamburger »

dheera wrote: post #28
grahamburger wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Hangouts does this for SMS. You can send/receive real SMS from your Google Voice number from any connected device.

Yes, but Google Voice is only available in the US. I have my Google Voice number forwarding to my e-mail which is nice. Of course, just actually using e-mail would be preferable. With e-mail I have one permanent address that hasn't changed in 15 years, and won't change anytime soon. Hangouts+SMS seems more like a bridge to the pre-mobile-internet era to me, a time when people were identified by a location-dependent n…

Ah that's true, apologies I forgot. Agreed that a pure IP solution would be ideal. There are some serious technical challenges to getting a true IP solution working well, esp with regards to security, privacy and scalability, but the real problem is encouraging mass adoption.

Re: Google Jibe: Better carrier messaging for everyone

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Post by hanniabu »

dheera wrote: post #19
stann wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Telegram?

Hadn't heard about it. Just checked it out, and it looks interesting. Unfortunately, due to network effects and my social circle, 99% of the people I know pretty much only use either Wechat, Facebook, or e-mail, but I look forward to seeing something disrupt this space with something better, more functional, cross-platform, and multi-login. It would be killer if Telegram could interoperate with at least 1 or 2 of the…

You can try what my friend did, he kept spamming our old whatsapp chat with invitations to telegram until we all switched. A few of us, me included, we very reluctant to switch and held out for a while saying that whatsapp is great. Once I downloaded telegram and gave it the time of day though, I turned to love it in the course of a day and now I can't even understand how anybody uses whatsapp anymore. I could go on and list all the reasons why it's better, but I think it's simpler just to say that it's better on every front and feature(except no wifi calling, yet), and even has more features to offer than whatsapp.

Re: Google Jibe: Better carrier messaging for everyone

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Post by _hpqv »

Wow, RCS seems pretty bad from a privacy standpoint.

The spec is available on the GSMA website [0]. The relevant section is 2.13.1.3 of "Rich Communication Suite 6.0 Advanced Communications Services and Client Specification Version 7.0-final draft" available in the specification ZIP.

TL;DR: Encryption seems to be included but for voice and video only. They have _deliberately_ compromised messaging security to be vulnerable to interception.

"SRTP [RFC3711] may be used to provide per message authentication, integrity protection and encryption for both RTP and RTCP streams involved in real-time video and voice sessions."

[...]

"[3GPP TS 33.328] defines two modes of operation for SDES/SRTP: e2ae (end-to-access edge) mode and e2e (end-to-end) mode."

"[...] the RCS client may try e2e [...]"

And:

"When using MSRPoTLS, and with the following two objectives allow compliance with legal interception procedures, the TLS authentication shall be based on self-signed certificates and the MSRP encrypted connection shall be terminated in an element of the Service Provider network providing service to that UE. Mutual authentication shall be applied as defined in [RFC4572]."

[0] http://www.gsma.com/network2020/specs-and-product-docs/

Re: Google Jibe: Better carrier messaging for everyone

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Post by neves »

bsharitt wrote: post #24
zellyn wrote: post #16

One big question: will carriers still charge exorbitant per-message fees? And one huge question: will iOS support RCS?

Are there still companies that still charge per message fees?

Sure, specially if you have a prepaid phone (very common in third world countries)

Re: Google Jibe: Better carrier messaging for everyone

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Post by [deleted] »

dheera wrote: post #19
stann wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Telegram?

Hadn't heard about it. Just checked it out, and it looks interesting. Unfortunately, due to network effects and my social circle, 99% of the people I know pretty much only use either Wechat, Facebook, or e-mail, but I look forward to seeing something disrupt this space with something better, more functional, cross-platform, and multi-login. It would be killer if Telegram could interoperate with at least 1 or 2 of the…

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Re: Google Jibe: Better carrier messaging for everyone

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Post by crumpled »

dheera wrote: post #28
grahamburger wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Hangouts does this for SMS. You can send/receive real SMS from your Google Voice number from any connected device.

Yes, but Google Voice is only available in the US. I have my Google Voice number forwarding to my e-mail which is nice. Of course, just actually using e-mail would be preferable. With e-mail I have one permanent address that hasn't changed in 15 years, and won't change anytime soon. Hangouts+SMS seems more like a bridge to the pre-mobile-internet era to me, a time when people were identified by a location-dependent n…

"Yes, but Google Voice is only available in the US." It would be more true to say: Google Voice only provisions US phone numbers. I have used my google voice number to make and receive calls and SMS messages from other countries. You CAN use it worldwide, it's only TCP/IP data after all. Unfortunately, you can't count on MMS working if you send to a non-US carrier. But MMS is only good because of its de facto status, it's not the best option for any of its use cases.
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