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China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by dogma1138 »

varjag wrote: post #27
dogma1138 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's disputed because 3 countries claim ownership of the the island as it's within their "territorial" (with the exception of Taiwan which claims it because it's still pretends to represent "real China") waters. China pretty much made claim to all of the waters it's claim extends as far as the shore lines of Malaysia. China also extends it's claim over waters outside of the immediate territorial waters by building ar…

S-400 long range capability is mostly theoretical, as there's no stock of the 40N6 missile capable of it. Especially doubtful in case of China, given the secondary nature of their missile technology.

China builds their own interceptors so the availability of Russian stockpiles isn't relevant, they've both deployed and conducted real world tests on multiple interceptors beyond the initial 200 KM range that the system went into service with including having improved interceptors that can counter ballistic missiles and satellites[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_mi...].

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by varjag »

dogma1138 wrote: post #31
varjag wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S-400 long range capability is mostly theoretical, as there's no stock of the 40N6 missile capable of it. Especially doubtful in case of China, given the secondary nature of their missile technology.

China builds their own interceptors so the availability of Russian stockpiles isn't relevant, they've both deployed and conducted real world tests on multiple interceptors beyond the initial 200 KM range that the system went into service with including having improved interceptors that can counter ballistic missiles and satellites[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_mi... ].

That has nothing to do with S-400. The satellite interceptor was a modified ballistic missile.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by dogma1138 »

varjag wrote: post #32
dogma1138 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China builds their own interceptors so the availability of Russian stockpiles isn't relevant, they've both deployed and conducted real world tests on multiple interceptors beyond the initial 200 KM range that the system went into service with including having improved interceptors that can counter ballistic missiles and satellites[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_mi... ].

That has nothing to do with S-400. The satellite interceptor was a modified ballistic missile.

By all accounts it was a modified HQ-9 interceptor which was piggybacked on a short/medium range ballistic missile (mostly because of the high inclination of the test satellite, which might mean it's quite likely to be potentially capable of reaching LEO VISINT satellites which pass over the interceptor on it's own).

Chinese source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_49e4b637010007hi.html I don't speak Chinese but it seems to translate rather well.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by varjag »

dogma1138 wrote: post #33
varjag wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has nothing to do with S-400. The satellite interceptor was a modified ballistic missile.

By all accounts it was a modified HQ-9 interceptor which was piggybacked on a short/medium range ballistic missile (mostly because of the high inclination of the test satellite, which might mean it's quite likely to be potentially capable of reaching LEO VISINT satellites which pass over the interceptor on it's own). Chinese source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_49e4b637010007hi.html I don't speak Chinese but it see…

Any space faring nation has technology to intercept LEO satellites. That doesn't mean a tricked out ICBM has any use in intercepting manuvering fighter jet.

The original HQ-9 interceptor is stated to have 200km slant range, just as the Russian missile it was faithfully copied from.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by ceejayoz »

legulere wrote: post #28

It's kind of funny that China is getting the only attention, when all countries around are occupying the islands: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Spratly_...

China's claiming the entire sea, though, and building new islands to extend that claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So...

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by dogma1138 »

varjag wrote: post #34
dogma1138 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By all accounts it was a modified HQ-9 interceptor which was piggybacked on a short/medium range ballistic missile (mostly because of the high inclination of the test satellite, which might mean it's quite likely to be potentially capable of reaching LEO VISINT satellites which pass over the interceptor on it's own). Chinese source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_49e4b637010007hi.html I don't speak Chinese but it see…

Any space faring nation has technology to intercept LEO satellites. That doesn't mean a tricked out ICBM has any use in intercepting manuvering fighter jet. The original HQ-9 interceptor is stated to have 200km slant range, just as the Russian missile it was faithfully copied from.

The ICBM didn't hit the missile the HQ-19 interceptor did, and no not every space capable nation can shoot down a satellite look how many decades it took the US to being able to do achieve that.

And yes I said that the system initially was deployed with a range of about 200KM but they have made improvements since: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-9#Variants

Most SAM's have different profiles and interceptors that cover targets with different capabilities this quite often limits their range, you can argue about the exact range and operational ceiling for the interceptors in question all day long it still doesn't change the fact that China has deployed one of the most sophisticated SAM's currently in operation on and island that they might not have full legal claim for which can threaten quite a big chunk of the air traffic over the south china sea.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by sharetea »

sharetea wrote: post #24

It looks like the dictator/autocratic states in Asia (Russia/China) with its economy collapsing, is resorting to territorial aggression against neighboring countries in order to get resources and get people to look away from its collapse. China exports fall 11.2% in January, imports down 18.8% http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/14/china-releases-trade-data-for... . Russia's ruble collapses to lowest level, with "Inflation r…

some data points about the Russia/Chinese dictators that some people love (or they're just paid trolls from Russian/Chinese government)

Putin is worth $200 billion, "After 14 years in power of Russia, and the amount of money that the country has made, and the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on" http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-former-largest-foreig...

China's rubber-stamp parliament is a billionaires' club http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/10/news/economy/china-billionai...

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by chvid »

Russia and China are quite different and in different situations. China benifits hugely by the drop in commodity prices and Russia does the opposite.

It is also much easier to understand the strategic goals of China:

This "dispute" will eventually amount to nothing; it is mere posturing showing the Americans that any military action will be too costly.

In a couple of decades; Taiwan will join China in a manner similar to what happened to Hong Kong and Macau. This will happen when the wealth of the average mainland Chinese is compareable to that of the average Taiwanese and China will be Taiwan's absolutely dominant trading partner.

When this happens China will for purposes have broken American control of the South China sea.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by sharetea »

chvid wrote: post #38

Russia and China are quite different and in different situations. China benifits hugely by the drop in commodity prices and Russia does the opposite. It is also much easier to understand the strategic goals of China: This "dispute" will eventually amount to nothing; it is mere posturing showing the Americans that any military action will be too costly. In a couple of decades; Taiwan will join China in a manner simila…

Nope

Victory for Tsai Ing-wen, head of a party promoting independence from China, will likely usher in uncertain relations between Taipei and Beijing

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/taiwan/121031...

Foxconn (Taiwanese manufacturer for Apple) decision to invest a whopping $5 billion in India has caused unease in China as it marks the first top international firm opting for India amid a slowdown in the Chinese economy.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2015-08-10/news...

Taiwan GDP per capita $30,000

China GDP per capita $3,000

Mark Hart: The Yuan Devaluation Still Has 50% To Go http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/01/mark-hart-the-yuan-devaluat...

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