It's called Homeopathy.
You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
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Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#32Anyone who is interested in mind over matter should check out Dr. Sarno's work - http://www.amazon.com/The-Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body... Similar to the vomiting poster, I had/have a longtime chronic nerve pain issue in my arms and legs that this book was tremendously helpful in managing. While fixing bad posture and a variety of other things helped, this book helped me get to the point where most days I'm in…
I highly recommend Sarno's work as well. I had severe tendinitis in my wrists for about 4 years. I was only able to work about 3 hours a day and was getting pretty desperate, so I decided to give what I thought was Sarno's "crackpot theory" a try. 4 weeks later my tendinitis was completely gone.
This is interesting. What kind of techniques does he advocate?
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#33My bullshit detectors are leaping off the charts. There are so many completely uncontrolled experiments described there, and the article just jumps to the conclusion that they demonstrate an effect. Add on top that the theory makes not a fleck of sense, and you have no credibility left.
People get their kick from caffeine the moment they start their drink even though it obviously takes much longer for caffeine to actually work. There's a little something there, but I don't know how MUCH of something.
You'd have to see how persistent it is. There have probably been studies, but give people decaf when they expect caffeine and compare against a control who expects and receives caffeine (ok, perhaps not in coffee, but a pill for measured and consistent dosage). Then you'll know how much of something it is.
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#34My bullshit detectors are leaping off the charts. There are so many completely uncontrolled experiments described there, and the article just jumps to the conclusion that they demonstrate an effect. Add on top that the theory makes not a fleck of sense, and you have no credibility left.
People get their kick from caffeine the moment they start their drink even though it obviously takes much longer for caffeine to actually work. There's a little something there, but I don't know how MUCH of something.
I experimented with decaf beans once. Normally I need my normal coffee, or I get a headache.
I knowingly substituted decaf and went a few days with no headache. Good decaf is hard to come by though.
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> out of practice What's practice for that like?
Meditation is vague word. There's guides for how to do this online and in books. I tried a bunch until some worked. Basic thing was just letting go of most thoughts, focusing on one thing, intending it to happen, and letting it happen without forcing it. You need feedback like a monitor showing you numbers and paying attention to feel of your own body. Eventually, some part of brain delivers. It delivers better over…
Any specific techniques/pointers for pumping up? It seemed to me meditation was all about relaxation, and my problem is it seems I can easily calm down but anything that would increase alertness without needing chemistry, that would be much appreciated.
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#36My bullshit detectors are leaping off the charts. There are so many completely uncontrolled experiments described there, and the article just jumps to the conclusion that they demonstrate an effect. Add on top that the theory makes not a fleck of sense, and you have no credibility left.
I agree it's not rigorous, but it's not necessarily bullshit. We know the placebo effect is quite strong (stronger than we can fully account for, in fact.) Postulating that it is possible to engage the placebo effect voluntarily is an interesting claim, but given that the placebo effect does exist it is not, on the face of it, impossible. I'm definitely interested in more rigorous research in this area.
I do think there is a lot of BS going on here (unsubstantiated medical claims). However, being able to engage a "full strength" placebo effect when the patient knows that it is just a placebo effect would be quite helpful. The experiment design to prove whether or not that is happening would have to be quite clever (multiple categories of placebo-unknown vs placebo-known vs meds). A few anecdotes about people being saved by magic juice definitely doesn't prove it. We know things like big bright pills are better at inducing placebo and placebo is stronger when the patient believes it will work. If we could consistently trigger a full and strong placebo effect without any medicine then it would be a useful and helpful first line of treatment for non-critical issues. Interesting indeed.
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#37Quote: "By the end of the year, she had received just six doses of the drug instead of the usual twelve. Marette responded just as her doctors would have hoped from the full drug amount." I'm sorry, at this point I stopped reading. The Doctors don't know how she would have responded to the full drug, because it didn't happen! The word 'hoped' is not testable! Where was the control (Quasi-experiment)? There is just no…
Hmm I'm pretty sure that 'hoped' in this case means something like: "Well, in a normal case we would have recommended 12 doses of the medicine in order to get a full recovery."
This is not like testing stuff with a computer program, you can not reset the human to a known state and replicate the experiment all over again.
Following your logic, even all vaccines are a lie, how can we know that the vaccines that we take every year are doing anything?
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#38Wim Hoff [1] is a great example of someone who can turn a lot of the knobs on his metabolism that aren't available to most of us. Apparently, he says it's something you can learn to do. If these researchers got more concrete about how patients can learn to do this and to get physiologically measurable effects, it would actually certainly lower health care costs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof
That's actually the basis for my teams startup:
We provide EEG feedback so users can learn how to turn off/on portions of their brains in particular ways. It's actually used pretty regularly to teach people how to recognize when an epileptic seizure is about to occur. It's also used to improve symptoms PTSD, ADHD, etc.
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#39Quote: "By the end of the year, she had received just six doses of the drug instead of the usual twelve. Marette responded just as her doctors would have hoped from the full drug amount." I'm sorry, at this point I stopped reading. The Doctors don't know how she would have responded to the full drug, because it didn't happen! The word 'hoped' is not testable! Where was the control (Quasi-experiment)? There is just no…
I think you can just take that to mean that the response (around some reasonable window) for the real drug was indistinguishable form the non-drug response window, with the assumption that a previous use of the real drug was too far away to account for the non-drug response.
Yes, that's an assumption you should further clamp down later because of such extraordinary results, but it's not unreasonable to make it, especially since it would be really strange for the earlier real drug to cause all its effectiveness spikes right when the non-drug is taken, and in the same amount as later uses of the real drug.
Re: You can train your body into thinking it’s had medicine
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I highly recommend Sarno's work as well. I had severe tendinitis in my wrists for about 4 years. I was only able to work about 3 hours a day and was getting pretty desperate, so I decided to give what I thought was Sarno's "crackpot theory" a try. 4 weeks later my tendinitis was completely gone.
This is interesting. What kind of techniques does he advocate?