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Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

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The above article is best understood as a political piece, rather than a business story. Every single sentence in this article can be picked apart, but doing a line-by-line critique would miss the larger problems with the article. The author assumes that more productivity is always good, even though Japan has been suffering a lack of economic demand for most of the last 26 years. Big gains in productivity would only…

> Right, but the USA bailout of the auto companies seems to have been a good bet. Hundreds of thousands of jobs were saved, and the companies bounced back and paid off their debts, and the USA was able to sell its stake in GM at a profit. According to a link in the article the government lost over $9 Billion. I live in Metro-Detroit, saw plant closings, saw waves of dealerships close, watched whole car brands die, go…

While we are on the issue of Detroit and automakers here's a topical scene about some collective bargaining of jobs at an auto supplier, from the well-made documentary, Detropia [1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vJA9AVvdQ&t=6m22s

[1]

Detropia (Rental / Purchase link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2RSWehfaM

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

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post #19

Meanwhile, you manage to secure venture-capital funding and even a bank loan. The interest rate is high, but with your rapid growth, you should be able to pay it back. Meanwhile, in the Japan some of us actually live in: 1) Very few 26 year olds will be successfully able to convince their 26 year old co-workers to leave Sharp, because that is a once-in-a-lifetime mistake. I am literally related to a $ANONYMOUS_FOR_SA…

Given the overwhelmingly unfavorable business climate, why wouldn't this theoretical enterprising 26 year old just leave for SV? Immigrants have played a big role in the Valley for decades, but there haven't been many from Japan. Perhaps that drive is just destroyed/suppressed by the culture.

One cannot easily immigrate to the US to work, especially without a sponsoring company.

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#33

The above article is best understood as a political piece, rather than a business story. Every single sentence in this article can be picked apart, but doing a line-by-line critique would miss the larger problems with the article. The author assumes that more productivity is always good, even though Japan has been suffering a lack of economic demand for most of the last 26 years. Big gains in productivity would only…

I think the author was criticising malinvestment, rather than arguing for higher productivity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinvestment According to the Austrian school, market interventions like those in Japan are bad _regardless_ of the effect on productivity, because they represent malinvestment.

How exactly do you judge a malinvestment if you don't measure its effects?

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

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post #26
post #19

Meanwhile, you manage to secure venture-capital funding and even a bank loan. The interest rate is high, but with your rapid growth, you should be able to pay it back. Meanwhile, in the Japan some of us actually live in: 1) Very few 26 year olds will be successfully able to convince their 26 year old co-workers to leave Sharp, because that is a once-in-a-lifetime mistake. I am literally related to a $ANONYMOUS_FOR_SA…

Why is a business checking account so difficult? Seems like "I have $1000 (or 10k) to place in my shiny new account" would be enough to mollify them?

It's largely to prevent fraud and money laundering. A significant feature of Japanese bank accounts is money can move between them essentially instantaneously and Japan is a very cash-based society. What banks do not want to happen is for someone to take a cookie-cutter LLC, do an ore-ore fraud (i.e. call up a bunch of Japanese senior citizens and get them to insta-wire their life savings to the new account), immediately convert it into cash ("I need $200k for payroll in $100 bills" is something that is not crazy in Japan -- getting rarer but not crazy), and vanish into the ether. [+]

It does not help matters that a large Tokyo startup was a) a money laundering operation for b) a large international drug network then c) experienced more than half a billion dollars in suspected embezzlement while d) the banking system was caught with it's collective pants down. This current puts a giant blinking Give This Application All Possible Scrutiny on anyone who says "tech company" and "international wire transfer", which is really %#(&)0$ing annoying when you're a tech company which needs to get and make international wire transfers and does not have $100 million of business lying around to justify the bank doing fairly costly due diligence work.

[+] Edited to add: You might not think this sounds like a very plausible fraud, since it requires a corporate officer to make a personal appearance at the bank branch and produce identification, but the corporate officer might be a victim of the scam, too. A "local businessman" who "already owns another corporation so I can't be director of this new venture" approaches them about a great new job as company director, no experience required, the lawyers will take care of everything. The lawyers ("lawyers") draft paperwork and the director stamps everything. On the first day of work the lawyer says "Great. OK, it's the 25th. First order of business: get $200k out of the account at the bank for payroll to the employees at the $FOO branch office. Also, print out a receipt for your own salary; here's the form. We'll meet you at the train station and walk you to the office." At the train station the lawyer looks at the form, notices a misprint, and says "Oh sorry, this is wrong. We don't want to make you look bad on the first day. Tell you what, I'll phone ahead to the company to let them know we're going to be a bit delayed. Wait here, I'll pop back to the office, print the form correctly this time, and we'll go in together then. That's the envelope? Great; give it to me and I'll put it in the safe; wouldn't want someone stealing it at the train station. Society is going to the dogs, you know?"

Later that month, when asked by the police officers, the corporate officer can produce an impressive collection of meaningless powerpoint slides, business cards listing fake names of fake lawyers tied to phones stolen/registered with stolen credit cards/etc, and a total lack of understanding of what went wrong.

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#35
A couple of flaws in the article:

>That will keep the market flooded with artificially cheap Sharp products -- mobile phones, solar panels, air conditioners, printers, microwave ovens

Sharp doesn't dominate any of those markets. If it went bust people would buy them as cheap pretty much from other Asian manufacturers.

>The bank bailout does nothing to improve Sharp’s corporate strategy

Sharp seems about to be bought by Foxconn which is quite a change of strategy. It wouldn't have happened if the government had let it go bust years ago.

The main effect of letting Sharp go bust would be to throw 50000 people on the labour market who in efficient market fantasy land might all be snapped up by more efficient employers but who in reality would probably have been mostly unemployed.

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#36

>you decide to leave your job and start a business with your college buddies I know the point they were trying to make in the article, but the primary reason this doesn't happen in Japan is the cultural fear of failure rather than the system being broken. Once you're in, the nanny corporation will take care of you for the rest of your life. Once those corporations are in, the government will take care of them for the…

>Once you're in, the nanny corporation will take care of you for the rest of your life.

The flip side of that is if you quit you will never be offered another salaryman job. By anyone. I wouldn't start a business in Japan unless I was already unemployed.

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#37
post #19

Meanwhile, you manage to secure venture-capital funding and even a bank loan. The interest rate is high, but with your rapid growth, you should be able to pay it back. Meanwhile, in the Japan some of us actually live in: 1) Very few 26 year olds will be successfully able to convince their 26 year old co-workers to leave Sharp, because that is a once-in-a-lifetime mistake. I am literally related to a $ANONYMOUS_FOR_SA…

It seems like there should be an opportunity for a foreign bank to open a branch in Japan? But I suppose they have ways of preventing that too.

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#38
post #12

The above article is best understood as a political piece, rather than a business story. Every single sentence in this article can be picked apart, but doing a line-by-line critique would miss the larger problems with the article. The author assumes that more productivity is always good, even though Japan has been suffering a lack of economic demand for most of the last 26 years. Big gains in productivity would only…

It is not 50,000 versus 100 but 50,000 versus 500,000 or even 5,000,000. Most people (in advanced economies) work for family businesses. The government would never bail them out. It only bails out large interests. That is unfair, because the government also collects the same taxes -- if not more -- from these small and medium sized companies and their employees, but it will only bail out large companies with that ver…

At least ownership of larger corporations is typically more spread out. Bailing out family businesses, who typically offer no ownership to their employees, only really serves to enrich a particular family and maybe helps them afford to use others for labor a bit longer.

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#39
post #21

Bailing out GM and Chrysler seems to have been a win. Bailing out Goldman Sachs, not so much. The US had a lot of zombie investment banks in 2008, and only a few were allowed to fail.

The critical difference is, all the zombies were actually dealt with in the US. Goldman Sachs is back to being fully functional and very profitable, it's entirely capable of standing alone today. There are no big banking zombies wandering around the US landscape now. Most were consumed, forced into mergers. Their balance sheets were cleaned up, via the Fed (Citi and Bank of America for example).

Kind of amazing how some billions and trillions will just stand you right up on your feet in a few years.

Maybe the Fed is now the zombie?

Re: Japan Must Let Zombie Companies Die

#40

The above article is best understood as a political piece, rather than a business story. Every single sentence in this article can be picked apart, but doing a line-by-line critique would miss the larger problems with the article. The author assumes that more productivity is always good, even though Japan has been suffering a lack of economic demand for most of the last 26 years. Big gains in productivity would only…

>The author assumes that more productivity is always good, even though Japan has been suffering a lack of economic demand for most of the last 26 years. Big gains in productivity would only make the lack of demand worse.

The Japanese unemployment rate is now at 3.1%, which is very low, even for Japan. In that kind of job market you need big gains in productivity because employers will have trouble filling job openings. There's no reason for the government to artificially stimulate job creation.

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