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Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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And they are tricking their users into gathering support for their sinister plans:

"Facebook launched a print and digital media campaign [...] asking users to give a missed call, automatically sending a message to the regulator in support of Free Basics."

i.e. A lot of those who gave a missed call ended up sending a message to TRAI, likely without their knowledge.

Source : http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/start-up-...

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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I just don't get this. Maybe I haven't read deeply enough, but... - what is preventing the companies signed on to the Free Basics platform from being accessible in India? is it technical? political? - what does Free Basics actually provide if not financial support to end users or carriers for now letting people access these sites? On its face, it looks as is Free Basics is some sort of strong arm technique to get car…

free basics is a relaunched facebook service which was initially named internet.org

Sites which wants to be part of free basics will have to get facebooks approval, there by making facebook the gatekeeper.

Those sites which get approved can be accessed through free basics, and will have all the traffic go through facebook(lovely, isn't it?). Also the traffic is insecure.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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It's remarkable that a company that stands strongly in favour of net neutrality in the US is so strongly against it in India. Speak of double standards. So strong against it, they've spent $44 million in ads to tell the public to oppose net neutrality and instead support something they're calling "digital equality", aka free Facebook (and friends) without data charges. Source for $44 million figure: https://twitter.c…

I fail to understand how its digital equality. I don't wanna give them control over Internet too. Hope trai shows them the door

The people who run the regulatory body, they will pass this with quite a strong majority

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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>stands strongly in favour of net neutrality in the US Could you provide some sources?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/08/google-fac... http://mashable.com/2014/05/08/fcc-letter-net-neutrality/#as...

The FCC letter signed by facebook said

1. “The open architecture of the Internet creates an innovation-without-permission ecosystem. Consumers (and consumers alone) decide the winners and losers on the open Internet.”

2. The brief also describes the dangers of a “walled garden” with a “pre-selected lineup.”

3. “Such an outcome would undo much of the progress of the last two decades. Consumers would lose the ability to choose freely among competitive services and sources of information. It would also significantly decrease the rewards edge providers could realize from innovating, further decreasing consumer choice.”

4. It would also significantly decrease the rewards edge providers could realize from innovating, further decreasing consumer choice.”

Free Basics contradict all these .

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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It's much easier to persuade people with Internet access that net neutrality is good than those without access for whom it's mostly meaningless. Indian Internet penetration ~20% with 1B offline. Reverse those figures and consider how easy the argument and powerful the voice for net neutrality. The long view: strategy, not tactics.

As for monopoly fears, well, remember MySpace and AOL? Internet monopolies have so far not been very durable. Technology changes rapidly and organizations frequently can't keep up (remember Bill Gates's infamous Internet letter?). I'd add that Facebook currently has ~1.5B users globally. Can they keep up structurally by adding another 1B? That's an open question.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/08/google-fac... http://mashable.com/2014/05/08/fcc-letter-net-neutrality/#as...

None of that is against zero-rating. They specifically mention paid prioritization, which means the data is prioritized, while zero-rating is a billing practice.

The fundamental principle makes this clear: Is the ISP providing competitive advantage to some apps/services/websites, either through pricing or QoS? Zero-rating does violate this.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that is against zero-rating. They specifically mention paid prioritization, which means the data is prioritized, while zero-rating is a billing practice.

The fundamental principle makes this clear: Is the ISP providing competitive advantage to some apps/services/websites, either through pricing or QoS? Zero-rating does violate this.

But that's not the fundamental principle they advocate for.

The letter mentions "to discriminate both technically and financially against Internet companies and to impose new tolls on them."

No technical limitations are placed on internet companies with free basics, they just cost more to the consumer. And as the company isn't charged more to be on free basics, there isn't financial discrimination against the company.

Strictly speaking, that doesn't prohibit zero rating.

I'd be more interested to see a response to the studies that Facebook quoted. Are they taken out of context? If not, they do seem to agree that free basics would help.

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