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When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

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Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#31
> But it also violates the airline’s fare rules, can get your travel agent in trouble and could lead to higher fares for everyone.

From a particular traveler point of view. Airlines are pretty few, and are consolidating, so in about 2 years you can find yourself banned from all 5-6 of them and have to take the train or drive. Has this ever happened I wonder? Can this happen? Airlines building private no-fly-lists and just refusing to do business with some people. Is that allowed legally.

Insurance companies do it:

https://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs26-CLUE.htm

Why can't airlines? I imagine travelers who do it, would get pretty vocal online, so maybe some airline will respond publicly and say "we don't care, come to us?"...

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#32
I am absolutely not clear how changing one's IP is different from any other form of currency arbitrage - which is what this transaction is, and also what explains the cost difference between currencies from the airline's point of view - their native currency is easiest for them to transact in, and they pay additional costs to transact in other currencies.

In fact, the airline probably appreciates being paid in its native currency. Airlines from countries with currencies that aren't always easily convertible, such as airlines from the developing world, probably have to keep substantial reserves in currencies their customers tend to use, to ensure that they can always carry out transactions in that currency. If you buy your ticket in the native currency, then you've not required them to dig into that reserve, which is a win for them.

Conversely, this is probably not a win for the original questioner, because they probably paid a fee for currency conversion to their bank, which was probably larger than that paid by the airline, because the airline has more market leverage with which to set pricing contracts for currency conversion.

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#33
Considering how often major US airlines have sought to dump their pension obligations toward employees in deference to management types and investors, making the rich richer and the working class poorer, I don't think they deserve any portrayal as bastions of the ethichal highground.

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#35
post #9

Let's compromise. I promise to be totally clear, transparent, and straightforward in my ticket purchases as long as the airlines are totally clear, transparent, and straightforward in their ticket pricing. Any takers? ...No?

I will take it - the airline charges the maximum their datamining of your information tells them you are able to tolerate.

And I'm paying the minimum that the airline's faulty assumptions and bad computer implementation allow.

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is basically how free market is supposed to work, right? ;).

Air travel is not a free market - the capital requirements are insane, the cost of fuel is often subsidized by the government (you cannot tax or excise it IIRC), you have a lot of regulations and so on ...

Regulations are a part of a free market. They provide transparency and ensure that everyone is playing by the same rules.

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#37

Looking at the reactions of people to this topic, I come to believe there are two general approaches to life. Some people try to look at the whole game and want everyone to win, so they play by the rules. In terms of prisoner's dilemma, they choose to cooperate. Others notice that the market economy is designed around people being selfish, so they use it to justify defecting - minding only their own short-term intere…

Hidden city tickets are weird because if the cost of flying A to B to C is lower than A to B, that implies the cost of flying B to C is negative.

Does the government pay airlines to fly to podunk towns that wouldn't otherwise get service, or something?

Why don't they just make that leg of the flight $50, but hand out $150 to everyone who's actually on board mid-flight? That would prevent people from booking the flight but not taking it.

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#39
LOL, is this "native advertising" and is it for the airlines or the companies helping you buy cheap tickets?

Airlines are in my experience among the least ethically run businesses:

* They will cancel a flight at the last minute stranding passengers because it was "undersold".

* They will delay flights for reasons that have no accountability to consumers.

* They pass on 100% of the risk of flights being on time to consumers.

* They give gate attendants authority to claim your bag is "too large" for the overhead bin even when it fits just fine. They can even claim the overhead bins are full when they are not full.

* Airlines will try to make every seat on a plane "economy-plus" (when you have already purchased a ticket, but they haven't given you a seat assignment yet) when they are overbooked and the bump the passengers that don't pay.

On the contrary I challenge airlines to find one example where they act ethically even when their incentives are not to and the law would allow them to act otherwise.

Re: When is a ‘travel hack’ unethical?

#40
It's easy to think that all travel hacks are ethical if you think price segmentation is unethical.

I'm not convinced that's true. I don't feel pricing has to be a continuous distribution that feels "fair" to be ethical. Gaps in pricing are allowed. If customers feel differently, a transparently priced airline should be able to eat everybody's lunch. That hasn't happened, which makes me think there's value to consumers to segment aggressively.

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