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Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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What's wrong with that? It's commercial software, and they are nice enough to let you use a copy for free. They aren't (AFAIK) doing anything remotely malicious, like grabbing user data or bundling malware. It doesn't add advertising to your computer. (I'm not sure if f.lux does any update checking, which some people might count as unacceptable)

It's the "patent pending" part that sucks. They're trying to patent the idea of changing your video card's CLUT (color look-up table) to reduce eye strain, which is a fairly obvious and trivial thing to do once you know that blue light affects melatonin production.

Yep. They care so much about public helath that no one is allowed to be healthier with paying them. Classy move.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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From the f.lux EULA, which I'm fairly certain no one has ever read through (evidently, because there hasn't been a backlash over it): You may not (and agree not to, and not authorize or enable others to), directly or indirectly: (a) copy, distribute, redistribute, rent, lease, mirror, timeshare, operate a service bureau, or otherwise use for the benefit of a third party, the Software; (b) disassemble, decompile, atte…

What's wrong with that? It's commercial software, and they are nice enough to let you use a copy for free. They aren't (AFAIK) doing anything remotely malicious, like grabbing user data or bundling malware. It doesn't add advertising to your computer. (I'm not sure if f.lux does any update checking, which some people might count as unacceptable)

Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Apple are nice enough to let you use iOS under a closed system model. Same basic principle is at work here: you are restricted in what you can do with the software!

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

#33
The iPhone already supports various 'filters' through its Accessibility settings. I use the 'Low Light' filter every night, which allows the screen to go darker than usual. If they were to just add a low-light redshifted filter, that would be fine for most people I think.

However, and to f.lux's point, people should expect their devices will keep their health in mind. I believe Apple is worried that opening up first class support for this sort of functionality is an admission that blue light is hazardous to one's sleep health, which could open them up to various liabilities.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

#34
I love f.lux but sheesh, their stance looks like they're just playing the game to get their stuff on the app store, ignoring why apple doesn't want them there. What APIs are they using exactly?

I can see why apple might not want some app that messes with the display's color (controlled user experience and all that), and (please someone correct me if I'm wrong here) potentially access everything that's written on the screen.

The only way I see similar functionality happening on iOS land is through an accessibility feature 100% controlled by apple. No money for f.lux here, I guess...

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

#35

This is why consumers need root access to their phones. These are more than just phones, they are pocket sized computers. We have root/admin access on our laptops and desktops, we should have it here.

I would counter that there are people whom you do not want to have root. As sudo says, with great power comes great responsibility. Having clueless users being able to break the sandbox would do them more harm.

So while root would be useful to some consumers, the majority would be better off without it.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

#37

If they'd open source it, users would be able to compile for their own devices just fine. There are fully open alternatives that Apple doesn't mind, like https://github.com/anthonya1999/GoodNight I know where they're coming from, but all this wolf crying is getting annoying. I wouldn't mind if they came clear and said "we can't open source f.lux because we want to pressure Apple into letting us monetize it someday."

From the f.lux EULA, which I'm fairly certain no one has ever read through (evidently, because there hasn't been a backlash over it): You may not (and agree not to, and not authorize or enable others to), directly or indirectly: (a) copy, distribute, redistribute, rent, lease, mirror, timeshare, operate a service bureau, or otherwise use for the benefit of a third party, the Software; (b) disassemble, decompile, atte…

Not to mention this is a relatively simple thing to implement I think redshift for linux (linked above as [1]) is ~ 10k lines of C code and maybe a few hundred of python-qt.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

#38

If they'd open source it, users would be able to compile for their own devices just fine. There are fully open alternatives that Apple doesn't mind, like https://github.com/anthonya1999/GoodNight I know where they're coming from, but all this wolf crying is getting annoying. I wouldn't mind if they came clear and said "we can't open source f.lux because we want to pressure Apple into letting us monetize it someday."

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Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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post #34

I love f.lux but sheesh, their stance looks like they're just playing the game to get their stuff on the app store, ignoring why apple doesn't want them there. What APIs are they using exactly? I can see why apple might not want some app that messes with the display's color (controlled user experience and all that), and (please someone correct me if I'm wrong here) potentially access everything that's written on the…

They're not trying to get their app on AppStore. They got a warning from Apple for allowing people to sideload their app without the AppStore.

Re: “f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS for four years, but we need Apple's help.”

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post #39
post #34

I love f.lux but sheesh, their stance looks like they're just playing the game to get their stuff on the app store, ignoring why apple doesn't want them there. What APIs are they using exactly? I can see why apple might not want some app that messes with the display's color (controlled user experience and all that), and (please someone correct me if I'm wrong here) potentially access everything that's written on the…

They're not trying to get their app on AppStore. They got a warning from Apple for allowing people to sideload their app without the AppStore.

I have been following the story.

From the article:

> f.lux has been ready to ship for iOS devices for four years, but we can't put our app in the app store without Apple's help.

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