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Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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I lived in a small bus in New Mexico for a while and got addicted to this site, http://tinyhousetalk.com . You don't have to be a gypsy to admire the space efficiency and DIY furniture. Most of what I've put together (sofa, bookshelf, etc.) feels incredibly stronger than anything I could get for 4-6x the price. But that's just how things are, some trade off of price for quality for time. Anyway, I admire his/his wife…

Even without DIY, I think e.g. Ikea showrooms are actually pretty good at showing how a little space can go a long way. That said, I am looking forward to moving away from the Bay someday to more space. : )

Yeah, Ikea furniture seems to be designed for apartment living. Because their designs use glue-less fastening I can tear down all the furniture in my apartment and fill a truck without a lot of work. The only thing I wouldn't be able to move by myself now is my mattress.

The compromise is that the stuff they sell that has significant decorative elements is extremely flimsy. The malm series is probably the most durable furniture they sell, because it's just 3/4 inch or 1 inch osb sheeting that's cut and joined in different configurations with bolts.

Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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Growing up in communist Russia, 400sq. feet apartment would be the luxury option for 2 or 3 families with multiple children each. No joke, my parents lived with their siblings and parents (and sometimes grandparents) in the same apartment even after everyone had children of their own. Somehow we still managed to occasionally have 20 more people over for birthday celebrations and cook all the accompanying excessive am…

Striking, but hardly common. You should clarify that in Russia they operate in "living space" sq.meters, meaning that 400 sqft will not include kitchen, corridors, bathroom, etc. Just the bedrooms and the living room. Secondly, you are over-generalizing. While a part of population did in fact live in cramped conditions (or even in shared condos, whereby 2+ families shared a single apartment), more than enough people…

Good point - size-wise, that's subpar for the number of people. My grandparents received a 95 sq.m. apartment for them and my aunt (teenager at the time) across from a beautiful park in Moscow, now that was considered super lucky.

Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"400 sqm with two kids might be a drama for people in the US" 400 square feet (~37 m^2) No need to turn this into another stereotyping Europe vs US issue. I agree 37 m^2 is plenty of room for some people, not for others, regardless of where you are from.

> No need to turn this into another stereotyping Europe vs US issue But it is kind of true that Americans are extremely melodramatic about this stuff. 800 sqft house is often referred as a "tiny house" in American media. In the UK (for example) this is an average house size.

It is now, it wasn't always so: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398714/The-incredib...

(see yesterday's discussion about rubbish buildings)

Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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The question is why do we have the most talented people in a certain industry having to live in confined spaces while paying through the roof for it. Not even Hollywood is like that. People may stay in trailers for some time but that's it As personally having to live in a tiny place (not in SF though) it is not something I want to do for an extended period of time, even though the advantages like 'city living' are go…

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I think you making a pretty broad leap here... This is entirely his choice, and nobody is "making" them live in a confined space - most of my friends that are starting a family leave San Francisco and move to the suburbs to get more space at a lower cost (e.g., San Mateo) and take BART to get to their job in San Francisco.

Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No need to turn this into another stereotyping Europe vs US issue But it is kind of true that Americans are extremely melodramatic about this stuff. 800 sqft house is often referred as a "tiny house" in American media. In the UK (for example) this is an average house size.

It is now , it wasn't always so: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398714/The-incredib... (see yesterday's discussion about rubbish buildings)

Yes, it is definitely a consequence of suburbanization of America.

Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"400 sqm with two kids might be a drama for people in the US" 400 square feet (~37 m^2) No need to turn this into another stereotyping Europe vs US issue. I agree 37 m^2 is plenty of room for some people, not for others, regardless of where you are from.

> No need to turn this into another stereotyping Europe vs US issue But it is kind of true that Americans are extremely melodramatic about this stuff. 800 sqft house is often referred as a "tiny house" in American media. In the UK (for example) this is an average house size.

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Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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:) 400 sqf with two kids might be a drama for people in the US but it is completely normal in other places of the world, even including the EU. It's not comfortable, but 600-700 sqf is completely usual for families in where I live (an apartment like that costs around 15-20 times the average yearly salary). EDIT: typo, I meant sqf and not sqm.

While the average size of housing in the UK went down considerably the average 3 bed room flat is still 950sqft, land attached houses are on average 25% larger than flat with the same number of bedrooms not counting external land area like balconies and yards.

People need their space while it's true that there might be some "romantic" aspects to small housing the disadvantages are quite noticeable there are plenty of adverse physical and mental health effects when you live in smaller spaces, from asthma to mental stress and social friction that can increase the likelihood of divorces and breakups.

I live with my GF for 6 years and I would never ever live in an apartment with less than 2 bedrooms, people need their space, if you have a fight it's good to have a place to go and just cool down and not continuously get annoyed at the person, having a guest bedroom/office is also quite good for that time where you under allot of stress at work or just having a bad day and need to finish some things without being disturbed.

And while It's perfectly fine to say to your partner "look, I'm having a rough day and I need to be alone" it's just much better when you don't have too, when you know you can sit down some where and just relax.

Having larger space also gives people privacy which even in a relationship is very important if the 2nd bedroom door is closed my GF knows to knock, if our bedroom door is closed I know to knock. And before some one makes jokes about it no we don't expect to catch one of us with the mailperson in there but she might be having a private call with her parents or doctor, she might be planning a surprise and i can do the same.

And while you can do those things even without having an extra room by juggling your schedule the fact that you don't need too adds quite a bit of relief, I've seen other couples having issues while living in small apartments from having to lock yourself in the bathroom after a fight to having to make personal calls from it or worse have to say "hon, I need to make a call so I'm going out for a few" which is just uncomfortable for both people because even in a trusting relationship having a private call inside the house gives the added assurance that it's probably not that, while when you need to go out to make it there might be some fears gowning at your partner even if they are completely subconscious they are still there.

People need their space,calling it a luxury and that people in "Insert European, 2nd world, 3rd world country here" are living in small spaces is not true, because in many of them the overall living space tends to be much much bigger than what people would imagine, especially when you count in communal and open spaces.

Re: Life in a Studio Apartment with My Wife and Two Sons

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This isn't so bad. The Netherlands is the most dense population of any country outside Taiwan and families dwelling in small spaces continues to this day. There is a 12-member family spanning 3 generations all living in the same small house next door to me. Our tiny 60 square meter home is considered normal for our area. By American standards, SF seems like tight living, perhaps. But by world standards, space is not…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and... Netherlands is number 30. Admittedly most of the others are a lot smaller, but Bangladesh and South Korea are a lot bigger. San Fran is also denser than the Netherlands, and AFAICS denser than any Dutch city (comparable with The Hague).

Hm I have a book right in front of me that says it is number 2 in the world, right after Taiwan. It's this book:

http://www.xpat.nl/product/holland-handbook-2015-2016/

Perhaps they taking other factors into account by excluding city-states like Singapore, Hong Kong, etc.

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