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Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#31
Removing barriers to particular ethnicities in hiring? Great. Making it clear in marketing and outreach that all ethnicities are welcomed and encouraged? Great. Establishing a quota of X % of employees should be a certain race? Uh... okay. Should asians be turned down from a job because they've hit the asian quota and need more blacks? I didn't realize companies practiced affirmative action like this.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#32

The one thing that he never explains is exactly what "diversity" he is looking for at Twitter. It seems that the only thing that matters to him is the color of the person's skin. In other words, an African-American MIT CS grad that grew up in Iowa is somehow going to come at problems differently than a white guy from the same town and school and with the same background. I wouldn't really call that diversity, that's…

Really? Less than 5% of staff are non-white and you're arguing he needs to explain what "diversity" is?

Come on. At under 5% basically ANYTHING ELSE is diversity.

Also, he does touch on this in the article. He says that Twitter relies heavily on a few schools for hiring so even if they get 'diverse' candidates from those schools they've still had a very similar experience compared to people from geographically diverse schools. That alone would add one form of diversity. He said he's seen this resulting in group think, and I can believe that.

But really? You want people to define diversity in this situation? That seems like a 'no true scotsman' setup to me.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#33

This guy sort of sort of undermines the standard case for diversity: "Twitter as a platform has empowered underserved and underrepresented people. It has fomented social movements and..." Sounds like twitter is killing it for people of all ethnic groups. It's as if a bunch of White/Asian dudes can actually design algorithms that work for everyone. So, um, why do we need a non-Asian engineer? It's also worth questioni…

Because the real world doesn't revolve around newtonian physics. It's quantum physics.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#34

This guy sort of sort of undermines the standard case for diversity: "Twitter as a platform has empowered underserved and underrepresented people. It has fomented social movements and..." Sounds like twitter is killing it for people of all ethnic groups. It's as if a bunch of White/Asian dudes can actually design algorithms that work for everyone. So, um, why do we need a non-Asian engineer? It's also worth questioni…

You honestly think it's "worth questioning how a black person would think differently"?

Different experiences yield different points of view yield different ideas

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

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post #33

This guy sort of sort of undermines the standard case for diversity: "Twitter as a platform has empowered underserved and underrepresented people. It has fomented social movements and..." Sounds like twitter is killing it for people of all ethnic groups. It's as if a bunch of White/Asian dudes can actually design algorithms that work for everyone. So, um, why do we need a non-Asian engineer? It's also worth questioni…

Because the real world doesn't revolve around newtonian physics. It's quantum physics.

This is a social level question, not a physical one?

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#36

The one thing that he never explains is exactly what "diversity" he is looking for at Twitter. It seems that the only thing that matters to him is the color of the person's skin. In other words, an African-American MIT CS grad that grew up in Iowa is somehow going to come at problems differently than a white guy from the same town and school and with the same background. I wouldn't really call that diversity, that's…

In point of fact, an African-American guy and a white guy from the same neighborhood and school will have had different experiences growing up. For example, the white guy probably never had the cops called on him for wandering down a dark street wearing a hoodie. He probably also got more job interviews, if his name sounds white and his friend's doesn't. These experiences will have shaped the two men differently.

That doesn't mean they'll give different answers to a question on how to traverse a linked list. But they'll give different answers on how to build a content moderation feature, how to prevent abuse, how to protect freedom of expression on the platform.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

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Anyone else get the strong feeling that articles like this are a detriment to equal rights movements? If you're misrepresenting facts and statistics people will eventually catch on and simply not trust you anymore, skewering any ability you have to raise awareness and make a difference..

Yeah. A lot of white men get that sense.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#38

The one thing that he never explains is exactly what "diversity" he is looking for at Twitter. It seems that the only thing that matters to him is the color of the person's skin. In other words, an African-American MIT CS grad that grew up in Iowa is somehow going to come at problems differently than a white guy from the same town and school and with the same background. I wouldn't really call that diversity, that's…

> what "diversity" he is looking for at Twitter.

Because being explicit about how he wants race quotas might make him look racist, which would make it harder for him to use accusations of racism as a tool.

The quest for "diversity" essentially is an implicit accusation of racism. It basically says "we're not as racially diverse as we would naturally be if racism wasnt rigging the race game".

His goal is to take jobs from whites just because they are white and give them to blacks just because they are black, i.e. explicit racism. The twisted logic is basically that you have to fight racism with racism, but that racism-the-cure isnt really racism, and that only racism-the-cause is "true racism". It essentially boils down to the claims that only white people can be racists, that whites are inherently racists, and that any statistical imbalance in the percentage of blacks in a certain organisation and the percentage of blacks in the overall population is a product of white racism.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#39

The one thing that he never explains is exactly what "diversity" he is looking for at Twitter. It seems that the only thing that matters to him is the color of the person's skin. In other words, an African-American MIT CS grad that grew up in Iowa is somehow going to come at problems differently than a white guy from the same town and school and with the same background. I wouldn't really call that diversity, that's…

Wow, trying to redefine racial diversity as racism.

Having a different skin color makes a HUGE impact on the way you experience life, especially in America. Holding all other things equal, that alone will give you a different outlook on life, and likely different ideas too.

Re: Twitter's only black engineer in leadership quits

#40

This guy sort of sort of undermines the standard case for diversity: "Twitter as a platform has empowered underserved and underrepresented people. It has fomented social movements and..." Sounds like twitter is killing it for people of all ethnic groups. It's as if a bunch of White/Asian dudes can actually design algorithms that work for everyone. So, um, why do we need a non-Asian engineer? It's also worth questioni…

(I accidentally down voted you, sorry).

The fact that Twitter enables diversity doesn't mean that they have or understand diversity. It may be that they simply haven't accidentally stepped on it.

If they don't know why what they're doing is working then they can't successfully improve it further, or avoid squashing it unintentionally and irreparably.

Honestly your comment reads very racist to me. "why do we need a non-Asian engineer?", "suppose I'm wrong, and black people actually do think differently. [if twitter is doing good] why do we think that "different" is actually better or even useful?"

So Twitter is doing great, and you've basically reduced it to either 'race/perspective never matters' or 'non white/asians are inferior'. I'm sure you'll say it's the former.

Wow.

(Now that I've re-read your comment, I'm happy with my down vote).

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