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Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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clever. I'm curious if the group cashed the check from the producers for their "services" or if that's also just part of the statement they're making.

I would imagine they did: "Ms. Amin said she and her colleagues had been hired by the show’s producers to add authenticity to the camp depicted in the episode". From my perspective this definitely adds authenticity, seems like the service was provided, if in a snarky manner. However I doubt they receive future work from the show :P

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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This is the best hack I've seen on Hacker News in months and it doesn't even involve a computer. Great job to everyone involved in pulling it off, even if the casual viewers didn't notice.

Now that I think about it, this is pretty much social engineering. One can imagine exploiting cultural ignorances and biases similarly as part of an electronic hack.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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I haven't seen Homeland past the first season - but can someone who has seen more shed light on the alleged "racism" of the show? Is the show actually racist in its depiction of Arab-speaking characters, or is this simply a manifestation of Hanlon's Razor - "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"?

Homeland is not intentionally racist, but that isn't the main concern. Homeland leans on lazy stereotypes way too much, and that's harmful regardless of intent. This opinion piece from last year has details: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/02/...

Indeed. I haven't seem very much of the show, but I found its depiction of the military and suburban lifestyle to be nauseating and trite. I can't imagine they'd do any better depicting foreign cultures.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Never knew you could be "racist" against a religion. I get it though, take a powerful word with negative connotations and use it to put your target on the defensive, no matter how tangential the connection. Kind of like being called a "commie" in the 20th century.

Racism is just shorthand for prejudices such as ethnocentrism, Orientalism, Othering.

thats racist then

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Never knew you could be "racist" against a religion. I get it though, take a powerful word with negative connotations and use it to put your target on the defensive, no matter how tangential the connection. Kind of like being called a "commie" in the 20th century.

> Never knew you could be "racist" against a religion.

Bigotry against a cultural identity really isn't all that substantially different when the basis of the cultural identity is "race" or "religion", and bigotry against a race or ethnicity can often manifest in bigotry against other cultural identities that are correlated with that race or ethnicity, such as religion.

So, bigotry against a particular can both be a manifestation of racism, as well as being a thing substantially similar to racism independently of whether it is a manifestation of racism.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Curiously though I always thought the show portrayed the US protagonists in a less than flattering light. I can't speak of the biggottery the 'hackers' mention ... but clearly (to me at least) the decisions made by the agents are very nuanced and show some disturbing disregard for the impact of their actions and the short-sightedness of their attacks.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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I haven't seen Homeland past the first season - but can someone who has seen more shed light on the alleged "racism" of the show? Is the show actually racist in its depiction of Arab-speaking characters, or is this simply a manifestation of Hanlon's Razor - "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"?

A racist TV show does the same damage regardless of whether the creators were ignorant or malicious. Wide reaching mediums like TV shows have a lot of power in influencing our culture. Media creators have a lot of responsibility.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Racism is just shorthand for prejudices such as ethnocentrism, Orientalism, Othering.

I have never, never seen anti-Christianity been referred to as "racism" by anyone, not even evangelicals and fundamentalists. It would make large swaths of criticism of Christianity (not to mention many extreme metal bands) post-facto racist. "Othering" is far more general than racism, and relates to identity as a whole, not a specific racial identity.

Granted, there are many types of anti-Islamic thought, everything from actually studying the tenets of the religion and arguing against it from different angles, all of the way to having ignorant, inaccurate cultural stereotypes- Islamophobia. My conflating of racism with anti-Islam is with the latter. Because people in the West are usually less familiar with Islam, it's not difficult for people to assume Muslims are "those brown people over there in the Middle East", not unlike how a medieval European might have the social construct of a "Saracen." The point is, when a show depicts Islam in an inaccurate way that lumps a bunch of different peoples and cultures together as one Middle Eastern hodgepodge, it can be considered false to life, and thus, "racist."

Anti-Christianity doesn't work the same way in the West, because people here are generally less ignorant of that religion, and less likely to lump in all white people together as Christians. Maybe it's different in the East (though probably not the Middle East, where there are substantial Christian populations), and there they lump in all Christians as "those white people in America and Europe." In which case they would also be having a racist assumption.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the show depicts largely terrorists and criminals. Activists apparently want long diatribes about how wonderful Arab and Muslim families are to "balance" it out. Homeland isn't a documentary. Its a dramatic show about national security and as such it will probably not paint a realistic picture of the average Muslim, because average Muslims aren't really what its supposed to portray. The same way professional wr…

> Homeland isn't a documentary ... True, but I don't feel it's not enough for Homeland's producers, or anyone, to say 'it's not our problem'. We all live in a community and are responsible for taking care of it and for the consequences of what we do. "No man is an island." People absorb their views of the world from TV, in part. With widespread prejudice against people who believe in Islam, portraying stereotypes of…

For an example of how the fake TV world can be used to justify real world beliefs: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/06/20/justice-scalia-hearts-ja...

> The Globe and Mail reported that Scalia came to the defense of Jack Bauer and his torture tactics during an Ottawa conference of international jurists and national security officials last week. During a panel discussion about terrorism, torture and the law, a Canadian judge remarked, “Thankfully, security agencies in all our countries do not subscribe to the mantra ‘What would Jack Bauer do?’ ”

> Justice Scalia responded with a defense of Agent Bauer, arguing that law enforcement officials deserve latitude in times of great crisis. “Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles . . . . He saved hundreds of thousands of lives,” Judge Scalia reportedly said. “Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?” He then posed a series of questions to his fellow judges: “Say that criminal law is against him? ‘You have the right to a jury trial?’ Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer?”

> “I don’t think so,” Scalia reportedly answered himself. “So the question is really whether we believe in these absolutes. And ought we believe in these absolutes.”

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the race is synonymous with a religion- Judaism and Jews being the obvious example?

I think a lot of people would disagree that there is such a thing as a Jewish race, to start with. This gets at the question of what exactly is a race, as well. I think it most likely has something to do with your genes and family lineage, without getting too deep into it. Unsure of this myself, I have googled and found that some writers with prominent search ranks say that Jews were always considered to be a race un…

Not only are Jews a race, they are the race most interested in racial-genetic studies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
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