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Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by yc1010 »

Kristine1975 wrote: post #29
yc1010 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it is not like Russian state is not known for hiring paid trolls and having a well oiled propaganda machine + control of media whose main duties include seeding doubt, spreading fud, and fueling conspiracy.

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that the interview in Der Spiegel is Russian propaganda?

We do not know if "German image forensics expert Jens Kriese" who is interviewed by Spiegel was paid off or threatened in one form or another, especially if he happened to come from East Germany where the Soviet backed regime had files on everyone back before reunification.

Spiegel.de != Jens Kriese

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by ptaipale »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #22
ptaipale wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how devoid of credibility the West's intelligence agencies have become. I know it has been known for a while since Snowden It's older than that. I remember 40 years ago it was possible that rather obvious facts (such as "you need to queue a long time to get basic consumer goods in the USRR") were dismissed simply because they could be labeled "CIA propaganda". In my country we even had an initiative for a "peace la…

> It's older than that. I remember 40 years ago it was possible that rather obvious facts (such as "you need to queue a long time to get basic consumer goods in the USRR") were dismissed simply because they could be labeled "CIA propaganda". This was even scarier before that. Check out the following biography review[0]; it's worth the time to read. Some quotes: "although it is clear to him that the Soviet economy is…

That was a depressing read but familiar story. It was the 1930's "social media bubble of Guardian".

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by danmaz74 »

jsmeaton wrote: post #30
panamafrank wrote: post #7

There's good on book on MH17 that was published a while ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/MH17-story-shooting-Malaysian-airlin... It came to a similar conclusion as the dutch report, the main issue with the dutch report is it's too little to late and the government had repeatedly delayed publishing it while they searched for a way to indirectly accuse Russia. The dutch report is quite weak in that it won't take the next l…

They ordered the downing? That's probably not right is it? I thought the rebels didn't realise it was a passenger plane. I don't get why Russia just doesn't say "yep, we supplied it, but we didn't fire it, too bad so sad". Russia aren't alone in supplying rebel forces with weapons.

According to most sources, the rebels didn't have the trained personnel to use such an advanced weapon - this is no MANPAD. So, actually, it was almost for sure one of Putin's soldiers to pull the trigger.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by _2dlz »

dmichulke wrote: post #34

How does this: Higgins had played an important role in surfacing the use of chemical weapons in Syria by the regime of Bashar al-Assad relate to this? "Serious Questions about the Integrity of the UN Report" http://web.mit.edu/sts/Analysis%20of%20the%20UN%20Report%20o...

It establishes him as a reliable source for verification of civilian casualties, even relied on and confirmed by the U.N.

From the director of strategic communications, UNAMA: "Verification of civilian casualties is a painstaking, long and often extremely difficult and sensitive process, involving multiple sources and sometimes conflicting data and reports."

What he said is an understatement. The 2011 casualty numbers for aerial strikes in Afghanistan started at 305 at end of 2011, rose to 353 by end of 2012 and then rose to 415 by end of 2014. It took four years to get to that "415" number and this highlights that it can take years to get accurate counts. This year's UNAMA report, due soon, is bound to raise this number.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by anc84 »

korisnik wrote: post #26

Russian/rebel social media also played a role in all this, in a way that's not mentioned in this article. There are some official and close-to-official social media accounts that are used by the Russian rebels to announce progress (Twitter, Facebook, VK) usually straight from the mouths of commanders and higher ups. When MH-17 was downed they boasted about shooting down a Ukrainian plane only to find themselves quick…

Are there any reputable sources or archives for this claim?

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by kbart »

anc84 wrote: post #36
korisnik wrote: post #26

Russian/rebel social media also played a role in all this, in a way that's not mentioned in this article. There are some official and close-to-official social media accounts that are used by the Russian rebels to announce progress (Twitter, Facebook, VK) usually straight from the mouths of commanders and higher ups. When MH-17 was downed they boasted about shooting down a Ukrainian plane only to find themselves quick…

Are there any reputable sources or archives for this claim?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696389/That-blast-l...

http://www.interpretermag.com/was-col-strelkovs-dispatch-abo...

..and many others

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by 07d046 »

anc84 wrote: post #36
korisnik wrote: post #26

Russian/rebel social media also played a role in all this, in a way that's not mentioned in this article. There are some official and close-to-official social media accounts that are used by the Russian rebels to announce progress (Twitter, Facebook, VK) usually straight from the mouths of commanders and higher ups. When MH-17 was downed they boasted about shooting down a Ukrainian plane only to find themselves quick…

Are there any reputable sources or archives for this claim?

There's this tweet by a rebel commander: "Message from the militia. / / In the area Torrez just downed aircraft, like the An-26"

From http://blog.storyful.com/2014/07/19/how-social-sleuthing-unc...

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by tptacek »

jacquesm wrote: post #10

"Meanwhile, Russian officials denied the allegation. Officials of the producer of the Buk missile, Almaz-Antey, told a news conference on Tuesday that they had carried out their own analysis of traces found on the aircraft. They said even if the jet was shot down by a Buk, it was an old type that is no longer used by the Russian military. The official also hinted that the missile was fired from a village in the Donet…

The claim that that the missile was fired from near Donetsk was debunked not by Bellingcat, but by the Dutch report. The 9M38M1 is not a long-range missile; there's a roughly 10x10km area from which it plausibly could have been fired, and that area is nowhere near Donetsk.

Re: Social Media Cracked the Case of MH17

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Post by Kristine1975 »

yc1010 wrote: post #31
Kristine1975 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that the interview in Der Spiegel is Russian propaganda?

We do not know if "German image forensics expert Jens Kriese" who is interviewed by Spiegel was paid off or threatened in one form or another, especially if he happened to come from East Germany where the Soviet backed regime had files on everyone back before reunification. Spiegel.de != Jens Kriese

Now who's spreading FUD?
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