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Re: Amazon Snowball

#31

Isn't this a bit risky? What happens if someone keeps it? 50TB is a lot more than $200.

"The data will be 256-bit encrypted on the host and stored on the appliance in encrypted form", key is stored in KMS, according to https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/aws-importexport-snowball-t...

I think the poster was talking about someone simply gutting the appliance for the 50TB drives. With a bit of fraud here and there on top.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#32
post #17

I'm curious about how they're going to approach this from the fraud perspective. This is a $200 charge for a device that has 50TB storage, which would probably cost you around $2000 to buy. There's people out there that will sign a contract under a fake name / address with a phone provider and sell the phones, and the way the providers fight against it usually by running credit checks and verifying address against th…

Let's say for the sake of argument that it costs about $100 per use to recover the machine from a labor/time perspective. That means they'll make back the initial investment on the machine in 20 uses. As long as the fraud rate is less than 5%, then this venture from a capital investment perspective still makes sense. Personally, if people intend on using fraud to get free hard drives it will probably be a minority of the population of people who order the services of this device. Plus, you need an AWS account for this.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#33
post #24

As usual, the pricing is not very friendly, and apparently designed to lock your data into AWS or exploit your weak negotiating position once you buy in. While you can send in 50TB for $200, taking the same 50TB out costs an additional $1500 charge (50000 * 0.03). [assuming they are not transferring the data over the Internet, the cost to AWS should be the same or cheaper for reading]

Same service needs to run the other way for the same price. $200 to get all your data shipped to you on an appliance/hard drive.

Re: Amazon Snowball

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post #20

Isn't this a bit risky? What happens if someone keeps it? 50TB is a lot more than $200.

The customer won't keep it because the Snowball contract will put them on the hook for it. Whether the shippers do or don't keep it, there are much more valuable things shipped every day. Where do you think the gargantuan Catalyst and Nexus switches come from? The line cards in those things probably cost more than a Snowball device.

I think the difference in price between what it costs to get it shipped and the market price of the components (even if you just strip out the hard drives) is what makes it fraud-prone.

From my day job, I know this is an issue for mobile operators

Re: Amazon Snowball

#37
Say I wanted to do something similar, but move data around locally between two NAS appliances, but not incur a double disk charge - (i've got a pack of ~ 20 disks in NAS brand a, but i want to move to NAS brand b. The disks work in both, but need reformatting).

Does anyone know of a service where I could rent a 20TB device like snowball but not push it to S3?

Re: Amazon Snowball

#38
post #12

The XKCD about FedEx's bandwidth seems particularly appropriate: https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/

His MicroSD card calculations are off because it would take a month to insert an airplane-load of those cards one by one into some computer to copy them into your storage. Which also makes me wonder why this Snowball device only does Ethernet. Seems like it should have an eSATA port.

Presumably they want a little more control over how data is written and stored on the device than they would get with a simple eSATA connected drive.

If they use a simple eSATA drive, they have to worry about formatting, layout, etc., whereas an ethernet connected drive with a bespoke client can hide/control all of that for Amazon.

It also gives them easier options for multi-drive, SSD caching, RAID, etc - things they may or may not use today but could without any impact on the end user.

* Also, it's 10Gb ethernet. And how many desktops do you have laying around that will recognize a 50Tb eSATA drive?

Re: Amazon Snowball

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post #12

The XKCD about FedEx's bandwidth seems particularly appropriate: https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/

His MicroSD card calculations are off because it would take a month to insert an airplane-load of those cards one by one into some computer to copy them into your storage. Which also makes me wonder why this Snowball device only does Ethernet. Seems like it should have an eSATA port.

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