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What's new in Rails 5?

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Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by happywolf »

aikah wrote: post #11
happywolf wrote: post #2

Minor clarification: what i meant below is I plan to build a portal with major feature being CMS, not planning to rewrite an CMS from scratch, instead I will source in Github for the module that can be ported/plugged in right away with some modification. ----- Right now, the web frameworks that are on my radar are: Laravel(PHP), Phoenix(Elixir), React+Meteor(JS), and RoR(Ruby). This list is by no means exhaustive, ju…

> Laravel(PHP), Phoenix(Elixir), React+Meteor(JS), and RoR(Ruby). All solutions have trade-off. Obviously rails isn't adapted if an app is focused on websockets, Elixir gives you good primitives for distributed programming and PHP runs on cheap hosting. Rails is really like "ok , I have like 2 weeks I need to develop a complex CRM for a client" , something in my opinion that cannot be pulled off that quickly with oth…

Thanks. Very insightful and informative. Great input.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by kailuowang »

littlewing wrote: post #28

I'm a long-time Rails developer and unfortunately this release doesn't excite me, though I appreciate all the hard work by the core team/continued support from 37signals. The reason is this: The intent of Rails is to make writing web applications easier, but that writing web applications actually got much more difficult for me as a Rails developer when Angular and Ember and then later React got popular. I love Ruby,…

I think you can try solve the "rails no longer excites me" problem by finding a more exciting language than Ruby. There are more than plenty of them out there.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by usethis »

littlewing wrote: post #28

I'm a long-time Rails developer and unfortunately this release doesn't excite me, though I appreciate all the hard work by the core team/continued support from 37signals. The reason is this: The intent of Rails is to make writing web applications easier, but that writing web applications actually got much more difficult for me as a Rails developer when Angular and Ember and then later React got popular. I love Ruby,…

I am excited about Rails API becoming an official part of the Rails ecosystem. I don't expect Rails to solve my client-side needs (templating was always slow, sprockets suboptimal), but I love to use it as an API and have a simple node server to proxy my website calls to that api. An additional benefit of this is that your client consumes the same API, as your other clients, so you don't have to worry about two api versions anymore and it improves your TDD.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by ocean3 »

littlewing wrote: post #28

I'm a long-time Rails developer and unfortunately this release doesn't excite me, though I appreciate all the hard work by the core team/continued support from 37signals. The reason is this: The intent of Rails is to make writing web applications easier, but that writing web applications actually got much more difficult for me as a Rails developer when Angular and Ember and then later React got popular. I love Ruby,…

Rails API and react-rails gem should be good combination.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by littlewing »

kailuowang wrote: post #32
littlewing wrote: post #28

I'm a long-time Rails developer and unfortunately this release doesn't excite me, though I appreciate all the hard work by the core team/continued support from 37signals. The reason is this: The intent of Rails is to make writing web applications easier, but that writing web applications actually got much more difficult for me as a Rails developer when Angular and Ember and then later React got popular. I love Ruby,…

I think you can try solve the "rails no longer excites me" problem by finding a more exciting language than Ruby. There are more than plenty of them out there.

Like what?

When considered as a whole of the combination of what is possible with the stdlib and all of the best gems available, Ruby can be written clearly and tersely. Those are the two first and most important things that I look for to do general web application development. From that perspective it beats Javascript, Python, Php, Java, C#, Go, Scala, Erlang, Haskell, OCaml, and every other language I've used.

I'm not saying Ruby is the best language ever. It has its flaws. In a few places in the stdlib, it doesn't make sense. There are languages, with maybe Smalltalk and Lisp at the top of the list, that beat Ruby from a simplicity and purity standpoint. But, Ruby is just great to use. I love reading it and love using it. It took a few years in the beginning of love and hate, but if I was stuck on a deserted island and had one programming language, Ruby would be it for me.

If it weren't for the Ruby core group being so exclusive and bitter towards others getting involved to make it even better, and if it weren't for the Rails core team just having too much to do and being unable to execute on support, documentation, performance, clarity, simplicity, and important features all at the same time, then maybe it would be the world's number one language and Rails would be the number one web framework.

Instead Javascript had emerged years ago as the language of choice in the browser, had plenty of attention spent on making it execute quickly, etc. though it was an uglier language than Ruby, and because of that attention, it is today's number one language for the web. But, I still like Ruby.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by michael_fine »

littlewing wrote: post #28

I'm a long-time Rails developer and unfortunately this release doesn't excite me, though I appreciate all the hard work by the core team/continued support from 37signals. The reason is this: The intent of Rails is to make writing web applications easier, but that writing web applications actually got much more difficult for me as a Rails developer when Angular and Ember and then later React got popular. I love Ruby,…

What's their rationale for saying That Node is not ready? I've found it to be stable and performant, and if it doesn't have quite the volume of useful libraries Ruby/Rails does, it's certainly fast approaching.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by KurtMueller »

littlewing wrote: post #28

I'm a long-time Rails developer and unfortunately this release doesn't excite me, though I appreciate all the hard work by the core team/continued support from 37signals. The reason is this: The intent of Rails is to make writing web applications easier, but that writing web applications actually got much more difficult for me as a Rails developer when Angular and Ember and then later React got popular. I love Ruby,…

Rails has always given me conventions to follow when creating/writing apps - except for javascript. Rails never really had any conventions for writing javascript. Hopefully, you and your coworkers had good habits when writing/organizing your js, but rails never really gave you any guidance except to throw it in your apps/assets/js folder.

> There is ES6/Typescript- that is the future.

According to the sprockets-es6 github page, its goal is to have es6 functionality in sprockets 4 by default.

> Node is still not ready.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement. It's very ambiguous.

Anyways, you might want to look at MeteorJS. It's a rails-like framework in javascript. It's not ready yet if you want to use a database other than mongo.

> I just feel let down. I want to get excited about Rails again, but give me a path.

One of the lessons that I've learned working with OSS is that we as individuals & developers are responsible to create these paths. The people who develop Rails & other awesome oss are just regular janes/joes like you and me.

> I don't really like Ember a whole lot, because the community is just not where it is with Angular and React

The ember community is not as big as Angular's or React, but it definitely does exist & is very friendly helpful.

IMO, Ember (along with Ember-Data & Ember-CLI) is the Rails of the js frameworks, it follows strong conventions and comes with a lot of magic right out of the box. You should check out their guide - perhaps they could have an overview that actually states the features that come out of the box.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by KurtMueller »

littlewing wrote: post #36
kailuowang wrote: post #32

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I think you can try solve the "rails no longer excites me" problem by finding a more exciting language than Ruby. There are more than plenty of them out there.

Like what? When considered as a whole of the combination of what is possible with the stdlib and all of the best gems available, Ruby can be written clearly and tersely. Those are the two first and most important things that I look for to do general web application development. From that perspective it beats Javascript, Python, Php, Java, C#, Go, Scala, Erlang, Haskell, OCaml, and every other language I've used. I'm…

You could use Clojurescript (another functional language). I've enjoyed my experience with it thus far.

Re: What's new in Rails 5?

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Post by badri »

berkes wrote: post #25
Jgrubb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently working for a company that has all of it's websites in Drupal, so my team is versed in PHP. I've been working with Drupal for 7 straight years. I have this dream of not having to work with Drupal ever again, so I often daydream about what I'd build if I were given the chance. In a sense I'm in the same position as you, except that it's probably never going to happen and that I've been thinking about this fo…

> so I often daydream about what I'd build if I were given the chance. In a sense I'm in the same position as you, except that it's probably never going to happen and that I've been thinking about this for years. This was me, until three years ago. I am freelancer, all my gigs, clients and my whole network was about Drupal. Hell, I still receive requests for Drupal work on a weekly basis: my name was established, so…

> Move to a community that encourages clean code, "craftmanship", designs, patterns and so on, you will become a better programmer. If that is what you want.

Hopefully, Drupal 8 is going to bring all those fun parts again.

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