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Re: Chris Poole

#31

Post by valarauca1 »

aerovistae wrote: post #23
irl_zebra wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc." (I'm assuming cp means children) "The good news is that I've recently returned to 4chan as a regular, anonymous user, and I'm really enjoying it." I've never visited the site, and really don't want to. So maybe I'm missing something, but why would you want to associate yourself with a place like that? It seems like even spending time there as an anonymous user would change y…

I like to see it from the outside, where you only get linked to the "best of." 4Chan can be extremely hilarious sometimes; some of the funniest content I've seen on the internet is from 4Chan. But spending any real time there looking for that content, waiting for it, that's a waste in my eyes.

A lot of it is the anonymous culture, the idea that discussions can be based soley on the contents of message not the poster's history. This creates good content and interesting discussion. Its just learning to adjust your signal to noise filters.

Re: Chris Poole

#32

Post by comrh »

mahranch wrote: post #28
janny_throwaway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…

> you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I honestly don't think the two are even comparable. Moderating a large subreddit on reddit is infinitely harder and more complex than 4chan. Some of the larger subreddits see more pageviews than the entirety of 4chan. Moving beyond that, moderators on 4chan are completely anonymous unless they choose to be known. This isn't the case with reddit. Moderators often have to have a lon…

> This is important because with a history, you open yourself up to attacks.

Which is why I set up a script a few months ago to delete my account history every month. The amount of doxing I saw on reddit made me nervous.

Re: Chris Poole

#33

Post by janny_throwaway »

mahranch wrote: post #28
janny_throwaway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…

> you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I honestly don't think the two are even comparable. Moderating a large subreddit on reddit is infinitely harder and more complex than 4chan. Some of the larger subreddits see more pageviews than the entirety of 4chan. Moving beyond that, moderators on 4chan are completely anonymous unless they choose to be known. This isn't the case with reddit. Moderators often have to have a lon…

>On 4chan, you're literally a janitor. On reddit, you're a janitor and you're also responsible for community building and everything that comes along with that. It's your community and if you don't build it, nobody will come.

That's a fair point. I was mostly addressing the comment about "barrier to entry," since the barrier to entry on 4chan is essentially nil. Without anything resembling an account history, there's a huge amount of impersonation, which makes for a challenging social dynamic.

> If you do something unpopular, you will get witch-hunted by reddit's masses

Interestingly, my janitor handle was leaked at one point, and despite it being just a few hops away from my real identity, I never experienced any harassment. I can only assume it's because I wasn't much of a target; 4chan doesn't tell you who was responsible for your ban, so only moot and a few of the more outspoken mods attracted the attention of the mob.

Re: Chris Poole

#34

Post by icebraining »

irl_zebra wrote: post #19
janny_throwaway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…

"not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc." (I'm assuming cp means children) "The good news is that I've recently returned to 4chan as a regular, anonymous user, and I'm really enjoying it." I've never visited the site, and really don't want to. So maybe I'm missing something, but why would you want to associate yourself with a place like that? It seems like even spending time there as an anonymous user would change y…

Not everyone considers "deviant" a pejorative word :)

4chan is honesty where most everything else is façade. I enjoy the feel, even if not every day.

Re: Chris Poole

#35

Post by ossreality »

comrh wrote: post #32
mahranch wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I honestly don't think the two are even comparable. Moderating a large subreddit on reddit is infinitely harder and more complex than 4chan. Some of the larger subreddits see more pageviews than the entirety of 4chan. Moving beyond that, moderators on 4chan are completely anonymous unless they choose to be known. This isn't the case with reddit. Moderators often have to have a lon…

> This is important because with a history, you open yourself up to attacks. Which is why I set up a script a few months ago to delete my account history every month. The amount of doxing I saw on reddit made me nervous.

There's a userscript for this, it just needs a tweak to be active on HTTPS pages.

Re: Chris Poole

#36

Post by austenallred »

ases wrote: post #25
irl_zebra wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc." (I'm assuming cp means children) "The good news is that I've recently returned to 4chan as a regular, anonymous user, and I'm really enjoying it." I've never visited the site, and really don't want to. So maybe I'm missing something, but why would you want to associate yourself with a place like that? It seems like even spending time there as an anonymous user would change y…

As someone who casually browses 4chan (at least some of the less major boards, certainly not /b/) I've got to say that I've never really seen any particularly awful content. Either it's not as ubiquitous as people think or the janitors are really, really good at their jobs. It's all very silly, of course. But the anonymous thing is fun and I've had some interesting debates where I can just test ideas and say whatever…

Most people think 4chan is /b/, because that's where all the worst stuff happens. Imagine if reddit had an "anything legal goes" subreddit - it would be pretty messed up. Other boards can be pretty tame.

Re: Chris Poole

#37

Post by TheCowboy »

joshu wrote: post #30

Not surprising. Community creators end up hating their communities. This is one of the reasons I did not put comments in Delicious.

Did you end up hating Delicious? Any thoughts on its current state?

Re: Chris Poole

#38

Post by [deleted] »

irl_zebra wrote: post #19
janny_throwaway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…

"not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc." (I'm assuming cp means children) "The good news is that I've recently returned to 4chan as a regular, anonymous user, and I'm really enjoying it." I've never visited the site, and really don't want to. So maybe I'm missing something, but why would you want to associate yourself with a place like that? It seems like even spending time there as an anonymous user would change y…

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Re: Chris Poole

#39

Post by biot »

rdl wrote: post #3

When I read the title I thought it was about moot joining USV as an EIR or partner.

Up to the very end I thought it might turn out to be a eulogy, especially given that the title was just "Chris Poole" and not "Chris Poole: Life After 4chan" or something similar.

Re: Chris Poole

#40

Post by nickysielicki »

irl_zebra wrote: post #19
janny_throwaway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>primarily due to seeing the kind of place you get when the barrier for entry is non existent. you think reddit's bad, try 4chan! I was 4chan "janitor" (lesser-mod) for 18 months or so and I agree, these sorts of positions really twist your perception of the community you're moderating. When you're buried in reports -- and these are 4chan reports, which means not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc. -- it becomes all…

"not just spam, but gore, cp, raids, etc." (I'm assuming cp means children) "The good news is that I've recently returned to 4chan as a regular, anonymous user, and I'm really enjoying it." I've never visited the site, and really don't want to. So maybe I'm missing something, but why would you want to associate yourself with a place like that? It seems like even spending time there as an anonymous user would change y…

I'm reminded of one of my favorite internet-related posts, The Great On-Line Equalizer.

https://subgenius.com/bigfist/answers/articles2/X0095_The_Gr...

Here's the tail end, I think it's relevant:

  The Internet is a perfect reflection of the world at large. It
  has everything in it except homeless people and that's only
  because they can't afford the monthly hookup charge.
  
  The Internet is scary to people because it TRULY makes everyone
  equal.
  
  All the people who are invisible in the normal world (the world
  run by the rich and powerful), all those people you can dismiss
  on the street as powerless and harmless -- ALL THOSE PEOPLE are
  now in your face.
  
  You can feel their hot breath on the Internet.
  
  It's called "humanity."
  
  America was invented to empower those people. It's just taken
  this long to find out how to do it.
  
  After all, the Net is just telephone lines, computer screens and
  satellite hook-ups. It's purely technical.
  
  Its only purpose is to bring the real world into focus. Anyone
  who opposes that should go back and read the Declaration of
  Independence.
I don't visit 4chan but I believe there's definitely value to seeing people anonymously post their thoughts. Whether they're saying something true or whether they're just trying to get a reaction, to get a look at what people will say when they're totally unhindered by any social norms or repercussions is very interesting. The thoughts that people are normally afraid to share are usually wrong, but sometimes people are afraid to share ideas that are right, as well.
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