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A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I build statistical models for banks which help assess the risk of a loan. Effectively, my models will get converted into the grades (A, B, C, D, etc.) mentioned in the article. The strategies (second chance, family guy, safe haven) are generally consistent with experiences from the portfolios of most financial institutions. However, I am skeptical (prove me wrong) of the statement in the article - "Lenders get a ret…

I don't know much about the banking industry but savings accounts and CDs have always felt scammy to me. They're marketed to the rubes that have no idea what they're doing so they can get away with not being competitive with other financial instruments.

Savings accounts and CD's are FDIC insured vehicles - they are not meant to grow in value but be safe and easy to access in the event you need funds.

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I build statistical models for banks which help assess the risk of a loan. Effectively, my models will get converted into the grades (A, B, C, D, etc.) mentioned in the article. The strategies (second chance, family guy, safe haven) are generally consistent with experiences from the portfolios of most financial institutions. However, I am skeptical (prove me wrong) of the statement in the article - "Lenders get a ret…

Your background sounds interesting! I'm working on bringing a credit card to the subprime market. Would be great to connect with you.

Hey, i'd love to have a chat. PM me at clement@100mdeep.com and let's talk

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I build statistical models for banks which help assess the risk of a loan. Effectively, my models will get converted into the grades (A, B, C, D, etc.) mentioned in the article. The strategies (second chance, family guy, safe haven) are generally consistent with experiences from the portfolios of most financial institutions. However, I am skeptical (prove me wrong) of the statement in the article - "Lenders get a ret…

Your background sounds interesting! I'm working on bringing a credit card to the subprime market. Would be great to connect with you.

Leave your email in your profile, and I will contact you. Please note I am not based in US or Europe.

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I operate an online crowd-lending analytics and automation platform PeerCube https:/www.peercube.com. I have been analyzing both Lending Club and Prosper data for my institutional clients for almost 4 years now. While OP made a good first attempt on analyzing the data, the analysis suffers from two major shortcomings that I normally see from people getting started with data analysis.

1. Domain Knowledge: Novice analyst tend to put the data in a blender and see what comes out first instead of building some preliminary knowledge and intuition about the domain. This is quite evident in OP's analysis and finding about annual income. A person familiar with domain will ask the question "Why would a borrower with high annual income will borrow a small amount loan at high interest rate?" This right away will raise flags about risks of lending to such borrowers. OP will benefit by reading some of the publications (books, research) on credit scoring and modeling before deep diving into analyzing Lending Club data.

2. Data Exploration: Not spending enough time exploring the data can lead to erroneous conclusion like The second chance strategy. When did Lending Club start issuing loans to borrowers with delinquencies and public records has a big impact on returns as newer loans are not aged enough to have sufficient defaults.

> Watch for your average return (expected return), consistency of returns through time (risk), while making sure there is enough supply (liquidity) on the platform to deploy your strategy.

Time is not Risk. You need to find a proper measure for risk. Also consider negative kurtosis and frequent low positive returns but a few high negative returns nature of return distribution.

> I considered that investors deploy and re-invest their money continuously on the platform and therefore own a portfolio with different ‘vintages’ of loans. The ROI that are computed reflect this, as they are average returns across vintages.

Re-consider this argument of "average return across vintages" being representative of investor returns. Tip: look at loan volume across vintages as well as typical re-investment pattern of a typical investor.

> Please also note than due to the low issuance volume in the early days of the platform, the returns computed for the pre-2010 period are much less reliable than the post-2010 returns.

Please don't do this. The data between 2006 and 2010 is the most valuable due to the business cycle we were in at that time. The data since 2010 tells nothing about how loans might perform in the future when business cycle is not as good it has been in last few years.

OP will really benefit from re-evaluating his finings with critical eyes. I will suggest gaining some domain knowledge, spending lot of time on just exploring the data before start drawing definite conclusions, focusing on distributions, correlations and statistical significance.

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I build statistical models for banks which help assess the risk of a loan. Effectively, my models will get converted into the grades (A, B, C, D, etc.) mentioned in the article. The strategies (second chance, family guy, safe haven) are generally consistent with experiences from the portfolios of most financial institutions. However, I am skeptical (prove me wrong) of the statement in the article - "Lenders get a ret…

You are correct, a comparison with CD/SA is an incorrect comparison that doesn't take into consideration the default premium and liquidity premium included in Lenders' return. CD/SA is as close to risk free return (with FDIC insurance) as you can get while Lending Club loans are unsecured loans (highest risk fixed-income investment).

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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The employment length is really bugging me. I've always selected people with a few years at their current job, leaning towards higher, because it feels safe, but this says that My other big hit is 3 versus 5-year terms. Anyone here care to comment? I like the 36 months because it feels more liquid and when I started I wasn't sure LendingClub was going to be around for a decade or more. Beginning to think I should rec…

If you only focus on return, you will draw erroneous conclusions. The upper limit to return is restricted by the interest rate. An A grade loan that carries interest rate of 5% will never give you return of 10% while a D grade loan carrying 18% interest rate has some chance of giving you 10% return, assuming you hold loans to maturity. If you only consider returns, your findings will always be biased toward high interest (supposedly high risk) loans. Similarly, the return comparison across vintage will generate erroneous conclusions.

You need to take into consideration Interest Rate and Default/Loss Rate while considering the validity of the relationship.

The Employment Length on its own is a poor indicator (statistically insignificant). You need to at least combine employment length with credit age (when the first credit line was opened) and Income to improve predictability.

There is no vintage of Lending Club 5-year term loans that have fully matured. The first 5-year term loan was issued in early 2010 (IIRC, May) so the first vintage is just coming up to full maturity.

  Interest Rate (Rate of Return)
  = Real risk-free interest rate 
  + Inflation premium 
  + Default risk premium 
  + Liquidity premium
  + Maturity premium
You need to determine whether you are being compensated on 5-year term loan for potential change in inflation, higher default risk, and longer maturity over 3-year term loan.

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I operate an online crowd-lending analytics and automation platform PeerCube https:/www.peercube.com. I have been analyzing both Lending Club and Prosper data for my institutional clients for almost 4 years now. While OP made a good first attempt on analyzing the data, the analysis suffers from two major shortcomings that I normally see from people getting started with data analysis. 1. Domain Knowledge: Novice analy…

A bit more courtesy would have been welcome. You sound very condescending. And I hope you talk to your clients in a different way!

Let me address your methodology comments nonetheless, which are for the most part unfounded.

* I don't have any finding about annual income. I don't think it is mentionned anywhere in my conclusions.

* "delinquencies and public records has a big impact on returns as newer loans are not aged enough": because I average across vintage, and because I don't average based on volume on the platform, I account for the aging biais.

* "Time is not risk [..] kurtosis etc.": I don't say that time is risk. I suggest the reader to look at the return series through time. Essentially to look at the volatility of the returns ( without pronouncing the word volatility to keep the content accessible to a novice reader). I essentially encourage the reader to visually assess his Sharpe ratio. Which is a good universal risk measure.

* "reconsider average across vintage": averaging across vintage is a first approximation. I acknowledge the fact that a better methodology would be to take a weighted average that matches the amortization profile of a loan.

* I maintain that any statistics you compute in 2006, 2007 or 2008 is less reliable (statistically). Yes it is an important period to have because of the crisis. And this is why I put on the chart. However, you can't compute very reliable returns when you have a dozen of loans to average across.

Anyway, I happy to exchange with you in PM on methodology if you would like to continue the discussion

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it's pretty instructive to look at the Lending Club grading algorithm in details. They made it public at some point. Now they are a little less transparent about it. But some details can be found in their SEC prospectus. I can link that up as well if you guys want.

I'd love to see any info. Their current offering document is here[1], but I don't see much mention of specifics. There's some detail on mapping to grades on p42 of the Aug 22 doc, as well as interest rates charged for each risk category. [1] https://www.lendingclub.com/info/prospectus.action

I have some details somewhere on my drive. PM me and we can talk

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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post #34

I operate an online crowd-lending analytics and automation platform PeerCube https:/www.peercube.com. I have been analyzing both Lending Club and Prosper data for my institutional clients for almost 4 years now. While OP made a good first attempt on analyzing the data, the analysis suffers from two major shortcomings that I normally see from people getting started with data analysis. 1. Domain Knowledge: Novice analy…

A bit more courtesy would have been welcome. You sound very condescending. And I hope you talk to your clients in a different way! Let me address your methodology comments nonetheless, which are for the most part unfounded. * I don't have any finding about annual income. I don't think it is mentionned anywhere in my conclusions. * "delinquencies and public records has a big impact on returns as newer loans are not ag…

Sorry for coming across condescending. This was not my intention. I was just trying to guide you in the right direction as you came across someone who is just getting started with data analysis.

Once again, I will stress, you need to reconsider your methodology if you want to learn.

Re: A Dive Into The Lending Club Data

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I build statistical models for banks which help assess the risk of a loan. Effectively, my models will get converted into the grades (A, B, C, D, etc.) mentioned in the article. The strategies (second chance, family guy, safe haven) are generally consistent with experiences from the portfolios of most financial institutions. However, I am skeptical (prove me wrong) of the statement in the article - "Lenders get a ret…

Banks haven't proven too skilled in estimating risk (see 2007). The average Lending Club lender is surely worse than the banks, but the best ones are surely better.

Net it all out and hopefully we get a Darwinian marketplace for lenders, lenders who don't need acres of employees preparing powerpoints for each other in class A office space.

Of course, the true measure of estimating risk is hidden until a crisis occurs. Interesting to see where it all ends up.

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