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Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by hkmurakami »

ant6n wrote: post #23
cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

"(...) liberals and minorities, who also feel (...) america is actually not liberal enough" Are you serious? America is basically a conservative, corrupt dystopia.

Same sex couple rights and and women's rights are, while not world-leading, ahead of many countries.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by mikeyouse »

bruceb wrote: post #22
bra-ket wrote: post #10

God forbid America will be ruled by Trump and Russia by Zhirinovsky, this is a recipe for a nuclear extinction event

Boastful, bombastic, etc yes. But Trump was against the Iraq war while Hillary and Biden voted for it. Most of the Republicans running also supported it. Little evidence Trump is a war monger.

Many seem to leave out that he was against the Iraq war over a year after it started.. It didn't take a dove to figure out that it was a bad idea in the summer of 2004.. Hillary was on the record criticizing the handling of the war long before that.. One such example 6 months before the Donald ever said anything publicly;

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

Biden was on a similar timeline (that was still faster than Trump) from May of 2004;

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4992558/ns/meet_the_press/t/transc...

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by mikeyouse »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #28
ars wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. A good president really only needs just one skill: Knowing how to hire good people. Other than that the president himself can be just a figurehead for entertainment. Trump clearly knows how to hire good people, so while I would not vote for him, I'm also not really worried about what will happen if he does win. If you think about it, the skillset needed to win an election, is not the same skillset you need for m…

You're assuming that Trump's definition of "good" is the same as yours. Trump may know how to hire people who accomplish what Trump wants accomplished, but that doesn't mean the results will be good for you or anyone.

He's also assuming that Trump will hire "good" people.. Is there evidence whatsoever that he possesses that skill? How would he evaluate what's "good" in areas that he literally knows nothing about?

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by peterwwillis »

“Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens.

This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F#ck Hope.”

-- George Carlin

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by mhd »

There are other examples of intentionally silly candidates abroad, including the UK's famous "Monster Raving Loony Party", Icelands's "Best Party" (several seats in parliament) or Germany's "Die Partei" (1 seat in EU parliament).

But you really need someone who's supposedly in it for real for things to look really, really weird. A case of the Uncanny Valley effect?

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by brandonmenc »

> he’s exposing all its phoniness and corruption in ways as serious as he is not

Trump will definitely make a full run at the Presidency if he believes he has a chance - and it appears he does. This guy wants to be the President. This is not a publicity stunt, if it ever was.

Continuing to pretend he's a cartoon character will just make the hangover worse.

Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by ende »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #25
cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

The USA is deeply conservative compared to most other first-world nations. Our left-wing presidents look like other countries' right-wing. Up to you whether you think that's good or bad, but read some international news and get your facts straight.

This is a popular thing to say but it really isn't true. Right wing parties in Europe are far more right-wing than the American right. The Democratic Party is comparable to any other social democratic party in Europe: the UK Labour Party, the German SDP, the Swedish SAP, etc. What America lacks that most European countries have is a true centrist Liberal party. This tends to be obfuscated in American politics due its unfortunate misuse of the word Liberal.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by lsc »

cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14
Camillo wrote: post #6

There seems to be a sizable number of people who do not feel represented by the narrow range of options that the political establishment has deigned to offer them, and who are tired of having to accept what the powers that be have declared inevitable. Because of the way the American political system works, this dissatisfaction seldom finds expression ("what, are you going to waste your vote?"), but when an outsider w…

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything.

If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s.

And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there are just so many more of them) are making gains every day... if trends continue, it won't be much longer before those people make as much as we do! and now they want to be treated with respect, too? Christ, when will it end!

I mean, sure, I laugh at those who have this 'white rage' for complaining that we, as white men, are now expected to treat other people with a base level of respect (as that, at root, is the intent of political correctness.) - At least where I live, this expectation is phrased more like "Please consider that women are humans too, you know, if it's not too much trouble" than anything really threatening to the status quo.

But there are a lot of people who feel genuine rage. And I don't know... My own opinion is informed by the fact that I make really good money and work in an industry where I get a really obvious (and fairly large) bonus for being a white male. Would I feel that rage if I had to struggle to make ends meet? If I had to seriously compete with women in the workplace? I like to think I wouldn't, but who knows?

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by Synaesthesia »

hkmurakami wrote: post #31
ant6n wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"(...) liberals and minorities, who also feel (...) america is actually not liberal enough" Are you serious? America is basically a conservative, corrupt dystopia.

Same sex couple rights and and women's rights are, while not world-leading, ahead of many countries.

But by social standards America is not liberal at all. Labor laws are very pro-business, very few labourers are unionized, and education costs are very high and health costs are way higher than other 1st world countries, despite spending as much or more on it.

There is no real labour party or left leaning party.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

mikeyouse wrote: post #33
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that Trump's definition of "good" is the same as yours. Trump may know how to hire people who accomplish what Trump wants accomplished, but that doesn't mean the results will be good for you or anyone.

He's also assuming that Trump will hire "good" people.. Is there evidence whatsoever that he possesses that skill? How would he evaluate what's "good" in areas that he literally knows nothing about?

That, too. The fact that he's run four companies into bankruptcy in the recent past suggests that, if he does hire "good" people, he doesn't listen to them.
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