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Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by rtpg »

suryon wrote: post #20
nl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That analysis is pathetically bad. I'm no fan of the TPP, but one shouldn't view every single thing that happens through that lens. There's a number of things going on here: 1) The South China sea dispute is getting more and more dangerous. Japan wants flexibility in making alliances to counterbalance China in that area. 2) This give Japan the ability to deploy troops (or more likely aircraft) to the Middle East in s…

If Japan takes action against North Korea the South will bomb Tokyo to the oblivion. South Korea will not permit anyone and especially Japan to touch anything that belongs to Koreans. Koreans living in the NK are still citizens of SK and the land is claimed by SK. Yes if there is conflict on the seas or in the air with the NK forces then SK will do nothing to stop the Japan. What Japan did today/yesterday just pushed…

Not an expert in the region but I'm pretty convinced SK has no real want to bomb Japan. And inversely, Japan wouldn't take action against the DPRK without it being a coordinated SK/US/JP effort.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by x5n1 »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #23

It's interesting to see how countries are reinterpreting laws to 'expand' the legal boundaries of conflict. Essentially, Japan now interprets 'self-defense' to no longer just mean defending the country when under attack, but to also include assisting allies in foreign countries. This sort of the same legal basis most countries are using to bomb targets in Syria (and Japan will probably use it too) - Iraq has asked th…

Everything is fair in love and war.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by adrianN »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #23

It's interesting to see how countries are reinterpreting laws to 'expand' the legal boundaries of conflict. Essentially, Japan now interprets 'self-defense' to no longer just mean defending the country when under attack, but to also include assisting allies in foreign countries. This sort of the same legal basis most countries are using to bomb targets in Syria (and Japan will probably use it too) - Iraq has asked th…

It's exactly the same argument Germany uses to send the Bundeswehr to Afghanistan. "Deutschlands Freiheit wird am Hindukusch verteidigt" - "Germany's freedom is defended at the Hindukush."

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by brobinson »

venomsnake wrote: post #13
IBM wrote: post #3

This is a good move and will help the US and its allies balance China.

What are the actual Japanese military capabilities?

Japan's buying the F35 from the US and also recently started its own fighter jet development program, so whatever their capabilities currently are, they're increasing.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by mst »

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Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by archlight »

adrianN wrote: post #35
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #23

It's interesting to see how countries are reinterpreting laws to 'expand' the legal boundaries of conflict. Essentially, Japan now interprets 'self-defense' to no longer just mean defending the country when under attack, but to also include assisting allies in foreign countries. This sort of the same legal basis most countries are using to bomb targets in Syria (and Japan will probably use it too) - Iraq has asked th…

It's exactly the same argument Germany uses to send the Bundeswehr to Afghanistan. "Deutschlands Freiheit wird am Hindukusch verteidigt" - "Germany's freedom is defended at the Hindukush."

It paves way to start a war by ripping off legal framework first like "versailles treaty". Germany earns the trust to be responsible country to do peacekeeping overseas by reconciling with neighbours. Japan is different story. it hasn't even shown any gesture of sincere apology.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

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Post by nl »

suryon wrote: post #28
nl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this assessment. But I can imagine circumstances where joint SK/Japanese operations against NK would be possible.

Unlikely. Maybe under the US general. But who am I to know ? Koreans have not even allowed the Japanese to help them with the Sewol ferry even if they were within the reach.

I'll just leave this here:

The United States of America, the Republic of Korea, and Japan held a productive and substantive security meeting from April 16-17 in Washington, District of Columbia, to enhance trilateral defense cooperation in light of the evolving security environment in the region.... The officials reaffirmed that their governments will not accept North Korea as a nuclear-armed state, and agreed to closely coordinate to deter North Korean provocations.... In addition, the three countries held a productive discussion on cooperative measures for non-traditional security issues including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counter-piracy operations, and counter-ISIL efforts.[1]

Three years ago it was impossible to imagine the US and Iran co-operating about anything. Now the US has provided de facto aircover for Iranian operations against ISIS.

[1] http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/...

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