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Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between the limitations and the lack of a used market, ebooks do seem really expensive compared to dead-tree.

There is a huge selection of public domain ebooks (although admittedly less than there ought to be, with the ridiculous copyright extensions). Project Gutenberg has a lot of fairly decent quality .mobi and .epub versions out these days. You can also get a decent amount of stuff from various Amazon programs, like Kindle Unlimited. The selection isn't always perfect, but it's not terrible either. And of course, there a…

> There is a huge selection of public domain ebooks (although admittedly less than there ought to be, with the ridiculous copyright extensions). Project Gutenberg has a lot of fairly decent quality .mobi and .epub versions out these days.

Poor formatting, usually, though even commercial ebooks are often bad at that (another reason I don't like them) and at least the proofreading isn't as bad as the commercial ones. Tolerable in some cases—I've read a few.

But if it's a work originally written in a language you don't read, the best translations (easiest to read, most accurate, best balance of the two, take your pick) are usually still covered by copyright. The quality difference between those and what's available from PG is often large.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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post #19

I love ebooks and I'm way too prone to impulse-buying them on my Kindle, but recent price movements are trying hard to kill the market. I'm not going to pay £15 for a text file, sorry. I honestly don't care how good your editing is, chances are it's awful anyway: one I got recently, by a mainstream author from a mainstream publisher, has "renaissance" spelled "re nais san ce" (with spaces) throughout the entire book,…

I believe that the right book at the right time can change your perspective, maybe your life. £15 is a pretty small price to dive into a well-written book on a subject, practically the moment your interest is sparked in the subject. Other conveniences - the fact that you don't have to trudge hundreds of pounds of books every time you move, the ability to read on any device - arguably make them more valuable than their physical counterparts to me, at least.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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post #19

I love ebooks and I'm way too prone to impulse-buying them on my Kindle, but recent price movements are trying hard to kill the market. I'm not going to pay £15 for a text file, sorry. I honestly don't care how good your editing is, chances are it's awful anyway: one I got recently, by a mainstream author from a mainstream publisher, has "renaissance" spelled "re nais san ce" (with spaces) throughout the entire book,…

I'd rather buy several used books, or just get the physical copy of a new book instead of paying $15 for an ebook.

Brick and mortar used bookstores seem to be able to profit on a modest volume of physical books at $3-$12.

I'm really surprised digital textbooks at a reasonable price ($20-$80) aren't more of a thing yet. Especially as interactive apps.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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post #19

I love ebooks and I'm way too prone to impulse-buying them on my Kindle, but recent price movements are trying hard to kill the market. I'm not going to pay £15 for a text file, sorry. I honestly don't care how good your editing is, chances are it's awful anyway: one I got recently, by a mainstream author from a mainstream publisher, has "renaissance" spelled "re nais san ce" (with spaces) throughout the entire book,…

I believe that the right book at the right time can change your perspective, maybe your life. £15 is a pretty small price to dive into a well-written book on a subject, practically the moment your interest is sparked in the subject. Other conveniences - the fact that you don't have to trudge hundreds of pounds of books every time you move, the ability to read on any device - arguably make them more valuable than thei…

I would pay 15 pounds for a life-changing book, but not for my next pulp fantasy. That's just way too much, especially when the paper book costs around the same or less.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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> Adult fiction - particularly romantic and erotic - has migrated strongly to the e-book, whereas cookery and religious books still do well in print, as do books with illustrations. All for fairly obvious reasons. Like writing on a notepad, reading a physical book does a good job of communicating with body language what you're doing. And if you believe in judging books by their cover, the book cover provides further…

Slight correction, but humans have been making books for over half a millennium. We've got way more experience making them than tablets.

I use my kindle for everything though, I like that it doesn't give strangers any starting point for a conversation, regardless of what I'm reading.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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For me the only "ebook" that truly exists is a PDF/file that I can handle the way I want. I never considered the kindle-amazon combo to be an option. From amazon I only buy physical books, and will continue to do so until the stuff I buy can be used the way I want, on linux, with the reader I want. There's no point in buying inferior media, especially when the price difference is so small. An mind, I regularly use PD…

PDFs are horrible when it comes to different screen sizes, though. I mean, horrible to the point of near unusablility.

The ebook formats (both EPUB and Kindle) work very well indeed on devices ranging from a small phone screen to a large desktop monitor. They're not "inferior" to PDF in the slightest in that respect.

There are still niches where PDF wins, but that's certainly not the case for casual fiction.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

#37

For me the only "ebook" that truly exists is a PDF/file that I can handle the way I want. I never considered the kindle-amazon combo to be an option. From amazon I only buy physical books, and will continue to do so until the stuff I buy can be used the way I want, on linux, with the reader I want. There's no point in buying inferior media, especially when the price difference is so small. An mind, I regularly use PD…

PDFs are horrible when it comes to different screen sizes, though. I mean, horrible to the point of near unusablility. The ebook formats (both EPUB and Kindle) work very well indeed on devices ranging from a small phone screen to a large desktop monitor. They're not "inferior" to PDF in the slightest in that respect. There are still niches where PDF wins, but that's certainly not the case for casual fiction.

I don't care so much about the format. I never used epub because nothing I ever used came in epub. I usually get PDFs along with books I buy (which is ironic, but appreciated), but never epub so far.

My main complaint is that these readers come with DRM. As far as the format is concerned, I would be fine with almost anything.

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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post #19

I love ebooks and I'm way too prone to impulse-buying them on my Kindle, but recent price movements are trying hard to kill the market. I'm not going to pay £15 for a text file, sorry. I honestly don't care how good your editing is, chances are it's awful anyway: one I got recently, by a mainstream author from a mainstream publisher, has "renaissance" spelled "re nais san ce" (with spaces) throughout the entire book,…

>, has "renaissance" spelled "re nais san ce"

if only that was the only issue. In my experience, ebook editing (both epub & mobi) is always pitiful. Theorically, pdfs can be nice but unless you are extremely lucky and the document size matches the device you are trying to read it on, you are out of luck. Even providing a reasonably sized cover seems impossible.

Do we need a new format dedicated to ebooks ? or do publishers simply need to start editing for the digital era ?

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

#39
post #12

While I used to be the guy that would carry a book on my mass-transit commute, I found that the (admittedly minor) headaches of doing so were contributing to my reading less and less. Having to carry a book around is fine if it's a small paperback, but for books I just couldn't wait for, I found that my laptop bag was cramped enough without trying to carry the hardback Game of Thrones, so I ended up prioritizing taki…

To those who suggest that paper is better on the eyes than e-ink

Is there anybody who actually knows what e-ink is who suggests this?

Re: Did technology kill the book or give it new life?

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post #39
post #12

While I used to be the guy that would carry a book on my mass-transit commute, I found that the (admittedly minor) headaches of doing so were contributing to my reading less and less. Having to carry a book around is fine if it's a small paperback, but for books I just couldn't wait for, I found that my laptop bag was cramped enough without trying to carry the hardback Game of Thrones, so I ended up prioritizing taki…

To those who suggest that paper is better on the eyes than e-ink Is there anybody who actually knows what e-ink is who suggests this?

There was another comment (since deleted) and this one[1] when I posted that.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10060281

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