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Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by Erikun »

wereHamster wrote: post #11
rmc wrote: post #6

The Ecudardian embassy/Assange demanded from the Swedes that they agree to something that they legally cannot agree to before interviewing him. It's not really fair to blame the Swedish authorities for that.

> that they agree to something that they legally cannot agree I'm curious what that was.

In short two things according to the Swedish department of Justice. 1. Ecuador require the Swedish prosecutors to grant Assange refugee status, but only the Migration Agency can do that, not the department of Justice or the prosecutors office. 2. Ecuador want guarantees that Assange will not be extradited to the US in the future. In Sweden extradition requests are handled by the supreme court and the prosecutor-general and a promise in advance never to extradite someone cannot be given.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by cmdkeen »

tomelders wrote: post #20
youngtaff wrote: post #12

Oh such crocodile tears… He could have avoided disappointment by allowing the Swedish authorities to question him! All that time he was stuck in a Norfolk mansion he could have travelled to Sweden been questioned and if he was innocent as he claims be free to travel the world again.

Or the Swedish investigators could have come to London and questioned him. It's conspicuous that they didn't.

And they did when the time bar was about to approach. At that point Ecuador conveniently starts causing problems, quite why the Swedes would lie about Ecuador's demands when they could have just waited for the time bar to expire doesn't get explained.

Prior to that they were dealing with an obstructive, bail jumping individual thumbing their nose at the legal systems of two countries (the UK and Sweden). Assange appealed extradition all the way to the UK Supreme Court then decided he didn't like the outcome, quite why the responsibility is on Sweden to cave to his demands has yet to be explained.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by cmdkeen »

fwn wrote: post #17
BasDirks wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But wasn't he afraid of extradition?

Yep. But that is often left out. (No accusation intended. It's just something people forget.)

Well he became afraid of extradition conveniently at the point at which he was facing extradition. Before then he was quite happy to spend lots of time in the West apparently unconcerned by the threat. Something that is often left out...

The UK was happy to extradite him to Sweden, we extradite people to the US as long as they aren't going to be executed. So quite why the UK extraditing him to Sweden who would then extradite him to the US is a plausible conspiracy never really gets explained.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by spiralpolitik »

rmc wrote: post #7
lazyjones wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many details regarding this claim and Sweden's (terrible) handling of the negotiations in the Guardian's article: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/11/julian-assange-... Wikileaks published a cable from 2012 detailing Ecuador's invitation to question Assange in the embassy. What took Sweden so long?

Ecuador was requiring that Sweden agree to something that they legally cannot agree to. Update : > “As a condition to let Assange be heard they [Ecuador] have demanded a special agreement in which Sweden recognizes asylum status for Assange. But the government cannot make such a commitment because it is the Migration Board which decides whether or not a person has the right to asylum.” From: http://jackofkent.com/201…

Not quite. Ecuador made the offer to Sweden to interview Assange in the embassy as early as 2012. The Swedish prosecutor did nothing until March this year when she was prompted to do something by higher ups due to the statute of limitations. Sweden then made the formal request in June which led to what you describe.

If Sweden was serious about getting this sorted out then they could have done so years ago. Instead they've been unusually inflexible about the whole affair which makes the whole thing smell even more than it did at the beginning.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by celticninja »

cmdkeen wrote: post #23
wereHamster wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that they agree to something that they legally cannot agree I'm curious what that was.

That Sweden recognise his asylum claim in Ecuador as valid, which the Swedish prosecutor does not have the legal authority to do. There is a good writeup from a British legal blogger at http://jackofkent.com/2015/08/assange-the-law-of-limitation-... It's worth picking out as well that Assange faces British legal issues from breaching his bail conditions. The bail set during his very lengthy legal process which valida…

actually for failing to adhere to his bail conditions his surety is forefit however there are unlikely to be any other significant effects of this action.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by agd »

rmc wrote: post #6

The Ecudardian embassy/Assange demanded from the Swedes that they agree to something that they legally cannot agree to before interviewing him. It's not really fair to blame the Swedish authorities for that.

Both Ecuardor and the SPA blame the other side for the delay.

It is worth reiterating the facts of the case:

1. The Swedish prosecutor refused to question Assange in London for the last 3 years.

2. Sweden’s Court of Appeal rebuked the prosecutor Marianne Ny in November 2014 for breaching her duty to progress the preliminary investigation.

3. The prosecutor only changed her mind in March this year which left little time to resolve these difficulties.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by belorn »

From the perspective of fact finding and evidence collecting, the case was for all practical purposes finished August 31, 2010. The last interview occurred that day which was with Assange, and there he was told of the charges against him which was when he then told his side of the story. All this could be read in the news papers a few days later thanks to the leaked investigation documents.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

spiralpolitik wrote: post #34
rmc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ecuador was requiring that Sweden agree to something that they legally cannot agree to. Update : > “As a condition to let Assange be heard they [Ecuador] have demanded a special agreement in which Sweden recognizes asylum status for Assange. But the government cannot make such a commitment because it is the Migration Board which decides whether or not a person has the right to asylum.” From: http://jackofkent.com/201…

Not quite. Ecuador made the offer to Sweden to interview Assange in the embassy as early as 2012. The Swedish prosecutor did nothing until March this year when she was prompted to do something by higher ups due to the statute of limitations. Sweden then made the formal request in June which led to what you describe. If Sweden was serious about getting this sorted out then they could have done so years ago. Instead th…

Swedes, inflexible? Incredible.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by obstacle1 »

Sone7 wrote: post #9
brodo wrote: post #2

> He still faces the more serious accusation of rape. This should have been in the headline.

The two women say they were not raped, and were railroaded by Swedish police. So why exactly should that have been the headline?

>So why exactly should that have been the headline?

Because the actual headline doesn't support or agree with the SJW agenda.

Re: Julian Assange 'disappointed' as sex assault case dropped

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Post by PJDK »

cmdkeen wrote: post #33
fwn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. But that is often left out. (No accusation intended. It's just something people forget.)

Well he became afraid of extradition conveniently at the point at which he was facing extradition. Before then he was quite happy to spend lots of time in the West apparently unconcerned by the threat. Something that is often left out... The UK was happy to extradite him to Sweden, we extradite people to the US as long as they aren't going to be executed. So quite why the UK extraditing him to Sweden who would then e…

Particularly since he could still appeal back to the UK if Sweden tried to extradite him.

Also weird this wasn't an argument he brought up while fighting the initial extradition to Sweden.

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