The most despicable use of lie detectors I've ever seen was on the Dr. Phil show. Dr. Phil asked a man who cheated on his wife whether he diddled his kids while he was hooked up to a lie detector. He answered no but obviously a question that is as emotionally charged at that will appear as a lie. This man's relationship with his family, friends and probably any future work relationships were all ruined by a stupid magic trick. The man turned to Dr. Phil and the the former FBI agent who administered the polygraph and start pleading and begging for any reason why the lie detector would give a false positive. Dr. Phil and the former FBI agent were smart enough to know why it wasn't working but they continued be evasive as the man's past and future relationships with his children, family, friend, and coworkers went up in flames.
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#32Since fMRIs are likely the future for this type of thing, this is probably the most disturbing job posting I've ever seen:
http://www.acfei.com/forensic_services/jobsearch/job-236170....
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Title: PhD COGNITIVE NEUROPSYCHOLOGISTS
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 [...]
[...] seeking contract physiologists to provide technical expertise in central nervous system (CNS) studies related to credibility assessment. [...]
Candidates will provide expertise in the use of CNS technologies such as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), [...]
A Top Secret security clearance is highly desirable. Candidates without a security clearance who possess superior qualifications may be processed for the required USG security clearance before commencing work.
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#33The most despicable use of lie detectors I've ever seen was on the Dr. Phil show. Dr. Phil asked a man who cheated on his wife whether he diddled his kids while he was hooked up to a lie detector. He answered no but obviously a question that is as emotionally charged at that will appear as a lie. This man's relationship with his family, friends and probably any future work relationships were all ruined by a stupid ma…
I hate to say it, but that's what you get for seeking help from a TV psychologist.
You're insane if you think a TV show is there to help you.
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#34The most despicable use of lie detectors I've ever seen was on the Dr. Phil show. Dr. Phil asked a man who cheated on his wife whether he diddled his kids while he was hooked up to a lie detector. He answered no but obviously a question that is as emotionally charged at that will appear as a lie. This man's relationship with his family, friends and probably any future work relationships were all ruined by a stupid ma…
I hate to say it, but that's what you get for seeking help from a TV psychologist. You're insane if you think a TV show is there to help you.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Entrapment is when you're coerced into committing a crime you otherwise wouldn't have commit. Coerced is the wrong word, induced is the correct one, and that's what happened here.
What makes this fascinating to me is , since the undercover agents hadn't actually committed the crimes they told him, he wasn't, in fact, helping them lie to federal agents. As the purported 'lie' was actually the truth, where is the crime?
Conspiracy. Intent goes a long way, especially in cases like this. Such as cases where FBI makes a fake bomb, ask suspect to flip this switch to arm it, ask suspect to place fake bomb at target, arrested for terrorism.
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#36It seems to me that the intelligence communicate uses lie detectors less as tests for nefarious activities and more as personality tests.
Let's assume that lie detectors actually work. To "pass" such a test you have to be reasonably certain about your answers. Have you ever passed information to the enemy: Yes/No? Is everything in your application truthful? Only some people can be completely secure about there answers. The more knowledge and experience a person has in an area, the more the likelihood that they cannot give that yes/no answer. So what they get is a bunch of young, mostly male, kids who are not the type to self examine. They are sure that they are correct, that they have done no wrong. That infeed might explain much of the direction that the community has taken in recent years.
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#37"a startup called Converus has developed an exam based on eye movement and pupil dilation"
Philip K. Dick has the prior art
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#38Since fMRIs are likely the future for this type of thing, this is probably the most disturbing job posting I've ever seen: http://www.acfei.com/forensic_services/jobsearch/job-236170.... - Title: PhD COGNITIVE NEUROPSYCHOLOGISTS Date Posted: 05/03/2012 [...] [...] seeking contract physiologists to provide technical expertise in central nervous system (CNS) studies related to credibility assessment. [...] Candidates w…
There are already commercial operations using (or claiming to use) fMRI for lie detection [0]. I can understand the potential appeal of similar positions for applicants — there's a scarcity of academic jobs for even highly skilled cognitive neuroscience PhDs.
As I've posted elsewhere in these comments, the best available evidence suggests that fMRI is no more useful than polygraph for lie detection. Unfortunately, the power of brain images to induce credulity in otherwise intelligent people is well-known [e.g., 1].
[1] http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12152-007-9003-3
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#39They have no evidence the guy actually aided a criminal yet he's facing jail. Is America the only first world country where such an extraordinary thing is possible?
What do you mean? He knowingly helped two undercover agents lie who disclosed crimes to him. One that supposedly smuggled drugs and another who touched a 14 year old. If he immediately severed contact when they confessed to these crimes he would be free. If you are doing something in a gray area make sure you dont make mistakes. Here is the witness tampering law: "(c) Whoever corruptly—... (2) otherwise obstructs, in…
"He knowingly helped two undercover agents lie who disclosed crimes to him."
What crimes?
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#40They have no evidence the guy actually aided a criminal yet he's facing jail. Is America the only first world country where such an extraordinary thing is possible?
What do you mean? He knowingly helped two undercover agents lie who disclosed crimes to him. One that supposedly smuggled drugs and another who touched a 14 year old. If he immediately severed contact when they confessed to these crimes he would be free. If you are doing something in a gray area make sure you dont make mistakes. Here is the witness tampering law: "(c) Whoever corruptly—... (2) otherwise obstructs, in…
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