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Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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> There is more to "sports" than watching them on TV. How about participating in them? The context here -- starting with the article, and followed in the thread prior to your response -- was participation in the culture of fandom of popular professional sports. Obvious, individual direct participation in sports is a completely different thing (and often a thing that competes with participation in fandom culture.)

No, there is a direct relation. At least outside the US, many many children are inspired to go out and try and imitate their favourite sporting heroes, and even if they aren't athletic they usually are included in the larger community and get to play and socialize. This is definitely the case with soccer and cricket. I haven't seen a single case where being a fan has precluded children from going out and playing. Per…

I wasn't talking specifically about children, and there is a big difference between saying an activity competes with another activity and saying that it precludes the other activity.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#292
After reading through a lot of these comments...I just have to ask, does anyone ever just play sports for fun? There seems to be a lot of real visceral and negative feelings toward organized sports - even beyond the professional leagues.

Does anyone enjoy just watching baseball? I absolutely love Fantasy baseball. It's a great intellectually stimulating way to just relax. Am I allowed to relax, or am I supporting some grand corporate conspiracy.

This thread is quite sad to me.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#293
post #175

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/nflexempt.asp Specifically, "Claims that the NFL is using a tax exemption to avoid paying the tax due on these revenues are simply misinformed. The confusion arises from the fact that there is one small part of the NFL, unrelated to all this business activity, that is tax-exempt: the NFL League Office. The league office is the administrative and organizational arm of the NFL and d…

The fact that NFL teams get taxpayers to foot the bill for new stadium construction and then the team retains the facility as private property, now that is what I have a problem with. Those facilities are bought with public money and should be public parks.

I generally agree with the principal you present but you have to acknowledge that the government (and therefore, theoretically, tax payers) gain value through the stadiums presence in the community. More directly through sales tax and tourism but possibly other less direct means like property values and property taxes.

Furthermore, if that's what people want to be done with their tax money, that's their business. If enough people felt the way you do, the story would be different. See the San Diego Chargers situation for example. They may end up relocating because of lack of political backing on building a new stadium.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#294

I think the problem that many geeks have with sports is the tribalism and the blind devotion. We have a lower tolerance for religious fanaticism, even barring the distro and editor wars. "Your" team won? Really? In what sense are they your team? Are you the coach? Are you a player? Or is it just because your parents were fans, or you grew up near them, or they won last year? When programmers engage in these kind of r…

Exactly my problem with it. I can't understand truly serious fandom for a pro team, or even for college teams since they're recruited specifically for the sport much the same way pro teams are.

I could understand it if it were tongue-in-cheek, as you write, just for fun's sake, but it's usually not, as best I can tell. Many of these fans are quite serious. They'll get no-joking pissed off at people over this stuff. They'll really initially dislike anyone they meet from $rivalCity. It's crazy.

Being a fan of a truly local team makes sense to me. A pro team? Not in a "ha-ha we're all in on the joke isn't this fun" sort of way? Mind boggling.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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To my ears, this "cultivated disinterest" label comes off as something of a cheap stereotype. Simply put, not everyone who lacks interest in professional sports nurtures a "cultivated distinterest" in the subject, nor are we driven by some need to display this disinterest as some kind of marker of class rank or intellectual superiority. We simply lack interest in the subject, period. And when pressed on the subject,…

> nor are we driven by some need to display this disinterest as some kind of marker of class rank or intellectual superiority. Not to disagree with you, but I was under the impression that most research on social signaling has shown that it is not a conscious phenomenon. You don't do X because you think it will signal Y. You just do X, whether because of unconscious social signals you have received or because the inf…

I think you'd need some reason to believe people are unconsciously signaling it. The author seems to be quite conscious of his own signaling. Personally I was never into watching sports, even as a little kid when I don't think I was doing much intellectual posturing. Probably it's because my parents didn't make a big deal about it whereas it was a big part of family bonding for other kids.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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I love playing sports and always have. But I have major issues with categorizing everyone who has issues with them as elitist. Some of us dislike them because they're destructive to society. I'm sure I'm not the only one who went to a high school where athletics were more important than academics, and not going to the football game was worth a couple nitpicked points off on your chemistry quiz or some teacher who bec…

>I love sports, but every time I watch or support them I feel like I'm destroying civil society and undermining democracy and helping to destroy the last vestiges of effective public education. Hyperbole. In a lot of ways, sports can bring a city or group together in ways that other events can't. I feel like this is where I have to make the usual acknowledgement that yes of course the NFL is run by a bunch of morons…

It's the coming together / tribalism part that unnerves me. There's no rational reason for people to get so excited about it, so it rubs me the wrong way the same way most political rallies do. Small scale sports don't have quite the same effect on me, but large heavily marketed ones do as there is a pressure to conform (i.e. care, participate, hold certain opinions that positively reflect on the enterprise).

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#297

Part of the reason I don't like watching, say, American football is that I used to play it in highschool. Once you've actually played the game, watching other people play is kinda boring. Especially when you see what a comically capitalized affair the whole thing is. Also, this part from the article is kind of silly: The machoness and absence of women in the highest levels of most professional sports bothers me deepl…

> Part of the reason I don't like watching, say, American football is that I used to play it in highschool. Once you've actually played the game, watching other people play is kinda boring. I've tried so hard to explain this to people my entire life, and gotten nothing but blank looks in response. I LOVE playing almost any sport, and when I watch other people running around on the field having fun my only response is…

Interesting. I am the opposite. When you watch a sport, it makes you want to play it. When I play a sport, it makes me want to watch it.

Watching a professional sport bores me unless I am currently playing that sport. When I am playing a given sport, then I start watching game highlights because I can learn so much from them. It improves my game play, gives me new ideas, and is just plain fun.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#298
post #115

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So I'm not allowed to dislike sports? It makes me a snob?

I don't believe so, per se. I think though, that if - as there are examples in this thread - you feel compelled to be sure everyone is aware of the disdain you have, replete with remarks like "overpaid gorillas" "getting paid far too much to chase a piece of rubber around with some sticks", then you do veer into snob territory, a la The Onion's Man Who Doesn't Own A TV. While there are many valid arguments to be made…

Yes, this thread has been a bit depressing. I don't see why being a fan of different sports and different teams should preclude people from being also simultaneously interested in science and math and other 'intellectual' pursuits.

Becoming a professional player requires as much (if not much more) hard work and talent as becoming a software engineer. These people dedicate their lives to the task, and are genuinely much much better than 99% of humans at their task, and are getting paid for their ability to entertain.

I don't get why people would look down upon these players and their fans.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#299
I have no opinion on whether you should become a fan of professional sports; by all means do if you want.

I do, however, have an opinion on which one if so. Supporting American football, which causes irreversible brain damage in 100% of players [1] [2], is very much not okay. Maiming and crippling people for entertainment is a moral atrocity, and shame on the author for condoning it.

[1] http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/19/offensive-play

[2] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/opinion/what-i-saw-as-an-n...

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