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Re: Je Suis Charlie

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I'm a muslim and here's my perspective on what happened in Paris.

The attack on Charlie Hebdo is an absolute travesty. My heart goes out to the cartoonists, columnists, editors, policemen, and other innocent victims.

Absolute freedom of speech is a human right. From Paris to Riyadh, anyone is free to draw and publish cartoons of the Prophet and any aspect of Islam that they disagree with. Not only should critical discourse be tolerated, it should be welcomed, for it leads to introspection and self-betterment.

I believe that a majority of muslims living in the west would agree with me. Many might have been offended by the cartoons, but one does not choose to live in a free society if they can't handle opposing points of view. Unfortunately, this doesn't come through in the statements of muslim "representativates" on TV who are quick to condone acts of violence but seem hesitant to categorically dismiss the ideological basis for the violence (i.e. the cartoons shouldn't have been published). This is probably because their jobs depend on carefully towing a line between religious ideology and political correctness.

Again, I don't think the cartoons are an issue for msot muslims in the west. I suspect the motivation behind the gruesome attacks in Paris might have been to make them a bigger issue, with the ultimate objective of sowing internal discord and recruiting more troublemakers. Perhaps the perpetrators play upon the expectation that the public discourse will inevitably drift to "why are muslims violent and dangerous and opposed to cartoons of the prophet?". Young mulsims will inevitably face this discourse in schools, in the press, on TV, and may eventually start to believe it and feel isolated. This might mold them into targets for further brainwashing and recruitment.

I think that we, as a society, need to get a lot better at understanding these criminal motivations. Forcefully reacting to these acts of violence is simply not enough. If we fail to control the discourse, I'm afraid such violence is likely to continue.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you tell me you're a muslim, I can have a very good statistical chance to pinpoint you in one of several ethnicities... So what? A person's race doesn't determine the ideas, religious or otherwise, that they hold. Two famous examples: Ayaan Hirsi Ali left Islam, and Cat Stevens joined it. A person's ideas, on the other hand, make all the difference in the world. Who can deny that these terrorists were not motiva…

> So what? A person's race doesn't determine the ideas, religious or otherwise, that they hold. You'be be surprised. The race (or, to be precise, the ethnicity) very much determines the ideas, religious or otherwise that a person holds. Statistically very much. There's a reason a person born in Italy is far far far more likely to be Catholic and not Budhist, etc. > Two famous examples: Ayaan Hirsi Ali left Islam, and…

I'm not sure that we're talking about the same thing.

Let me try restating my point: there is no heritable trait that makes you a muslim, a buddhist or a freethinker.

What people choose to believe is ultimately on them. Uncritically accepting what your parents, friends and countrymen have to say is still a choice.

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