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he attacked the police officer and tried to take the officer's gun. I wish this single sentence was underscored and repeated every time this issue comes up. Physical evidence confirms this sequence of events: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguso... There would not be blood inside the police car if Brown hadn't been reaching into the car. In what scenario was it reasonable for Brown to reach in…
Yep, so he DESERVED TO DIE, right?
Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
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Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a good point - why has everyone downvoted it?
17 year old Marines are some of the most efficient killing machines on the planet. It's why we used them in WW2. Brown was 18. Youth alone isn't relevant. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacklyn_H._Lucas#Marine_Corps_s...
Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
#293I hope what I have to say is not as controversial as I fear, but I don't think that individual racist beliefs are as big a problem as we have been told. To look at somebody and consciously judge them to be inferior based on their skin color is so outdated and obsolete, that those who do so are fringe members of society who are typically elderly and either changing their mindset or dying out. We elected a black presid…
Equality of opportunity is a good thing - equality of outcomes is exactly the sort of creeping socialism that our Founding Fathers warned us against. A lot of the cultural Marxist agendas being promoted in recent years are based on bad data and slanted measurements (e.g. the "pay gap" between men and women, which disappears when you control for hours worked, age, and other important variables). Such agendas are expli…
Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
#294Many a sincere person will answer: "Our attitude towards Negroes is the result of unfavorable experiences which we have had by living side by side with Negroes in this country. They are not our equals in intelligence, sense of responsibility, reliability." I am firmly convinced that whoever believes this suffers from a fatal misconception. Although it has clear political implications, the last part of the quote-withi…
People who continue to advance a hypothesis long after the data falsifies it, in order to support political views that are, subject to the true facts, immoral, should in fact be purged from civil society.
No, black people are not innately inferior in any physical, intellectual, or moral sense.
No, women are not innately inferior in any physical, intellectual, or moral sense.
No, Jews are not conspiring to take over the world.
Yes, you are a racist, and yes, you should leave the public eye right now. Nobody will miss you, as you've done nothing but attempt to muddy waters that were long-since cleared up.
The facts cannot speak, and thus, alas, cannot repeat themselves until you actually bother to listen, but I for one am tired of your like.
Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Two things. First, it's not like there has been widespread looting and chaos at these marches. Yes, there has been some, for sure, but the vast vast majority of these protests and protestors are peaceful. It only takes one person to break windows and light fires. Second, even if there is looting and destruction it's generally not a rational thought process that leads people to it. These are angry, hopeless, beat down…
>>> it's not like there has been widespread looting and chaos at these marches I'm not sure which exactly "these". I've heard a real lot of reports about the mayhem recently. Maybe if you count the number of perpetrators and divide it by the number of participants in all events everywhere, the result comes out low, I don't know. But I see how much damage was done[1], and I think there is enough of them to spoil it. >…
As to the rest...I just can't get worked up over some broken windows and stolen beer (again, bay area) when people are being killed in the streets and nothing is being done. Intellectually I know it hurts some small businesses, and is a pain to deal with, and the helicopters keep me up at night, etc., but it's really hard to compare that to the situation with black, brown, and poor america.
When you are disproportionately targeted by police for everything under the sun, the state takes your young males (some studies suggest 1 in 3 black men are arrested in their life), the state doesn't provide basic services or support, doesn't care about your education, there are no jobs and very little hope, and then on top of that the police are gunning down "your people" in the streets with no consequences what-so-ever...breaking windows just doesn't move the needle for me at all. Something needs to happen to address the situation and the status quo hasn't helped at all. Maybe some rabble rousing will make something happen. Or not. But at least these people are trying to do /something/!
Listen, I'm privileged whitey mcwhiterson software engineer. I live in Oakland. I see a lot of this in my community, though I don't claim to have any understanding of the personal impact being in that situation is. But it's undeniable that we've left an entire generation (or two, or three) of the black community behind and it pisses me off that we as society just don't seem to care. Good for them, and their allies, for getting up off the couch.
Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
Two things. First, it's not like there has been widespread looting and chaos at these marches. Yes, there has been some, for sure, but the vast vast majority of these protests and protestors are peaceful. It only takes one person to break windows and light fires. Second, even if there is looting and destruction it's generally not a rational thought process that leads people to it. These are angry, hopeless, beat down…
>>> it's not like there has been widespread looting and chaos at these marches I'm not sure which exactly "these". I've heard a real lot of reports about the mayhem recently. Maybe if you count the number of perpetrators and divide it by the number of participants in all events everywhere, the result comes out low, I don't know. But I see how much damage was done[1], and I think there is enough of them to spoil it. >…
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#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of my points are based on the parts of the event that have no clarity. They are open to interpretation. That's why I'm offering plausible and reasonable alternative explanations. Because how those events unfolded directly relate to whether it was a just shooting or not. As to your last line. I realize that legally you are correct, but I just can accept that you have to be compliant because of a badge...especially…
Totally agreed about the pie. About the other part, though... I'm really interested to know what you could mean. Isn't it, well, kind of mistaken to feel like we shouldn't cooperate with officers? The power asymmetry is just too great, on a practical level. But beyond the cold facts, it seems like the basis of a functional society is to cooperate. In a situation where there's an injustice, the media might be able to…
In a society where the citizens respect the police and the police respect the citizens then the Ferguson issue probably doesn't happen. And that's the issue I have. It's an us against them mentality on both sides. Cops are hated, so they don't get out in their communities to meet people, so they are viewed as "invading", they only show up to take your loved ones and their friends away, so they are hated, etc.
So yeah, the power asymmetry is too great, and it doesn't need to be for officers to be effective. In fact, I think it's doing the opposite. It's making their jobs harder.
Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>> it's not like there has been widespread looting and chaos at these marches I'm not sure which exactly "these". I've heard a real lot of reports about the mayhem recently. Maybe if you count the number of perpetrators and divide it by the number of participants in all events everywhere, the result comes out low, I don't know. But I see how much damage was done[1], and I think there is enough of them to spoil it. >…
re: "these", I was primarily talking about Oakland/Berkeley because that's where I live and am most familiar with. Yes, the first night in Ferguson was bad, for sure, but since that night the protests that I'm most closely aware of (east bay) have been very minor. As to the rest...I just can't get worked up over some broken windows and stolen beer (again, bay area) when people are being killed in the streets and noth…
That's a fallacious logic. From this logic it follows that as long as there are bad crimes, any lesser crimes are OK. Breaking windows and stealing beer is not helping to make the police (or anything else) better - if anything, it proves to the silent majority that the police is not harsh enough - evidently, as soon as it turns the other way, there's window breaking and beer stealing going on. So it only goes to prove that the police should put the boot down for those window breakers and beer stealers. To counter this argument, it should be shown that window breaking and beer stealing does not represent the normal behavior and is not what the protest is about. And to make that clear, yes, you should "get worked up" about it, otherwise people who don't know you would assume you do consider it to be OK, and make their conclusions. And you may not like them at all.
>>> but it's really hard to compare that to the situation with black, brown, and poor america.
First of all, most of the people hurt are black, brown and (relatively) poor America. The rioters don't go to riot in Beverley Hills and don't trash Larry Ellison's private island. They riot next door to where they live and trash and set on fire the local grocery store. Which is owned by their neighbor who is only marginally richer than they are, who worked his ass off his whole life to become that and who is now broke and needs to figure out how the hell he's going to pay his bills next month. But second - what exactly that trashing and burning does to make the situation better (I don't consider couple of looters getting drunk for free a real improvement)? Exactly nothing except now they don't have a local grocery store (so also guys who worked there are out of work. Also not exactly billionaires they were, right?).
>> Maybe some rabble rousing will make something happen
Or maybe it would convince the other people that the problem is not that the police is too harsh but that it is not harsh enough. I've heard the questions about "why National Guard was not deployed immediately" all over the TV and radio as soon as the riots hit the streets. National Guard, as you know, is basically military. So people start asking why the government is not setting the military - with tanks, fighter jets and other power tools - on their citizens, because the police with mere handguns, shotguns and armored cars looks too weak for them. Is that what rabble rousing was supposed to achieve? If so, good job then. If not, well, not so good job.
>>> we've left an entire generation (or two, or three) of the black community behind and it pisses me off that we as society just don't seem to care.
The society cares a lot - just turn on the TV and listen to any politician, they talk day and night about it for the last 50 years. Has it helped? Not really, as it looks. Does trashing and burning help? Not likely. So maybe it's time to do something that does help instead. And for that, some though is required as to what would help, instead of just breaking windows and stealing beer. Stealing beer is easy, but would not solve the problem, unfortunately.
Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)
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Most mainstream Americans' political principles are variations on "defend your side at all costs." An ideology without a (real) problem to solve is a very dangerous thing.
Viewing the US from the outside, it really is puzzling that in that land of freedom - where the ability of the individual to express themself is prized above all others - happens to be a place where people are pigeonholed by which one of two political parties they vote for, and it's frequently considered to be all you need to know to know everything about a person's opinions. "Well he would say that, he's a Democrat"…
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It still sounds very unlikely. Michael Brown was huge and you are not exactly well positioned for pulling people when you are sitting in a car.
With likelihood in mind, how likely is it that a person believes they can grab a holstered gun from a cop, get shot, decide to run at least 150 feet from fear of getting shot again, and then turn into a 'demon' with no fear of gunfire anymore and charge the source of gunfire?