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Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by badgersandjam »

anonbanker wrote: post #283
badgersandjam wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really not a terrible idea actually. I switch back and forth a lot between the Windows and the Unixy ecosystems and by far the best end user experience, tailored[1] developer experience and (I'm going to get slated for this), mobile experience is on Windows by far. [1] tailored as in platform specific. For cross platform stuff, it's not so good.

Someone created a new account in order to post a pro-windows reply in a systemd thread. Color me surprised.

Sigh.

Read my other posts. And my account existed before the systemd article was posted.

More correctly. Someone assumed a new user was a shill for Microsoft, incorrectly...

Reading your history, you might want to lay off the weed. It's linked to paranoia.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by Yizahi »

nitrogen wrote: post #116
fidotron wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the end of Linux. It's the final death of the idea that Linux should just idly continue to act like a clone of some vague Unix of old because it was better when men were men and their computers had obscure RISC processors with billions of registers. Linux hasn't really been that way for an incredibly long time, but a large proportion of the userbase still cling to this notion, some for ideological reasons, a…

Systemd is most problematic because of its own-everything monolithic nature, and the changing of kernel interfaces to match. The vast majority of Linux systems are not desktops, and probably not servers either. The kernel and the core utilities around it (like init) should be designed with multiple implementations and all machine types in mind. This means phones, set top boxes, TVs, routers, automation hardware, supe…

We are selling embedded device with systemd Debian since this spring and they work just fine. And it not some 5$ board made once and then sold as is. It is a big and very advanced device in the hundred thousand dollars bracket and all of them are constantly improved and upgraded. And they will be maintained for many more years.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by e7620 »

general_failure wrote: post #269
nitrogen wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systemd is most problematic because of its own-everything monolithic nature, and the changing of kernel interfaces to match. The vast majority of Linux systems are not desktops, and probably not servers either. The kernel and the core utilities around it (like init) should be designed with multiple implementations and all machine types in mind. This means phones, set top boxes, TVs, routers, automation hardware, supe…

Your comment is the very definition of FUD. You have nonfacts just baseless fear.

You should educate yourself about FUD, I recommend the Halloween documents, where they explain the unfeasibility of FUD tactics against an open source project, e.g. if someone tries to do it they won't get anywhere.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

wazoox wrote: post #250
pjmlp wrote: post #120

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What can I say, some people in 2014 like to live in 1978. It was fun for a while, but I grew out of it.

You completely missed the point. It's not about living as in 1978, it's about _not throwing away_ accumulated knowledge. What use is my CP/M knowledge nowadays? None at all. What use is the knowledge I could have of '78 Bourne shell, pipes, signals, vi, ed, awk, grep, man? Not only useful, but still of daily use.

Cars from last century still take me from A to B. It doesn't mean I want to drive one.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by imanaccount247 »

SwellJoe wrote: post #84

The ignorance in this post runs deep . For example: Speaking of zones and Solaris, if that’s an option for you it’s probably the best of breed stack right now. Does the author have no idea what's going on with Solaris? Hint: Nothing. Nothing is going on with Solaris, because Oracle doesn't care about Solaris. They closed the source, and now push out the occasional minor update from on high for their enterprise custom…

>The ignorance in this post runs deep.

The irony there is quite impressive.

>Does the author have no idea what's going on with Solaris?

Do you?

http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/illumos+Home

https://smartos.org/

http://openindiana.org/

http://omnios.omniti.com/

Even the commercial Solaris from Oracle is actively updated and a release was done this year. Anyone who is suggesting Solaris is not an alternative to Linux at this point in history is simply not credible.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by renovaatio »

Two distros that don't use systemd:

http://www.voidlinux.eu/

http://crux.nu/

Void linux is a rolling release, has binary packages, uses a very good package manager (even better than pacman) and the community is small but very friendly.

Crux is very minimal, and you have to compile your packages.

I use Void Linux, and am very happy with it.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by imanaccount247 »

andyl wrote: post #7

Everything I read about SystemD is negative. Negative on the technology, negative on the people who created it. Nothing positive. How is it that SystemD is about to dominate the market? Who is driving SystemD adoption, and why?

Redhat has more influence than people believed. Systemd is entirely driven by redhat, who controls a bunch of other software and said "we're breaking all the software we have so it only works with systemd". Distro maintainers would have immense amount of work on their hands forking everything to try to avoid systemd.

Re: Systemd redux: The end of Linux

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Post by imanaccount247 »

derengel wrote: post #23

Are there any reliable VPS providers that offer FreeBSD?

I reccomend vultr. I run OpenBSD not FreeBSD, but it is just a standard KVM VM you can run whatever you want on, and unlike most BSD offering VPS providers, they aren't double the price of DO and friends.
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