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Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Fellow Dutchman here, and I couldn't agree more. I actually helped building the electronic patient file in two major hospitals, and I can't tell you enough about the massive clusterfuck that is. The government requires you to finish it before a certain date, only they provide you with the exact requirements after that date. Basic security measures like encrypting data? No way! To me, America is still the land of the…

Agreed. Imagine voting for you own major, sheriff, congressman and president! (This is no joke people, we can't. They're appointed from within their own ranks. We can vote for a specific party-leader and hope they win. But the always end up creating a coalition with 2 or 33 other party's and needing to compromise).

You think the US two party, first-past-the-post system is better?!

Why would normal citizens vote for the president? There are only two possible outcomes of that: a president gets selected who basically blocks what the rest of the government wants (this is how it works in the US and exactly what the FF wanted) or the people pick a president who would work with the government but would have been picked with your current system.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Does anyone else think the 2 posts about this issue here on HN have quite a bit of shills commenting? I hate to point fingers like this, but some posts I've read yesterday were so "weird" (read: "neo-con" propaganda) compared to usual HN culture that I was honestly creeped out. It's the kind of writing that tries to persuade people not to care, or to simply be ok with it, since (paraphrasing) "ATT has all the data already, so why care?".

Maybe I'm just thinking too much about some comments and HN really has a demographics made of mostly neo conservatives.

Been wanting to point this out since yesterday. Thoughts?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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So roll over and take it like a champ? If everyone thought this way, there would have been no revolution. At some point, enough is enough and I say that that point is way past.

Well, if enough people say "enough is enough"... what next. My mobile device is tied to my phone, I have some work discounts attached to my service, I have a contract (which will gain fees for early termination). These issues make it highly improbably to truly do any action (when it comes to businesses). However, there is a way politically to actually get something done, but that requires the masses to actually organ…

may be start by refusing to sign contracts for anything other than what is absolutely necessary (like apartment lease, for example)? don't sign contracts for gyms, phones, cable etc? that would make it a tiny bit easier to switch between services?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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I think the standard counterargument is started by asking them if they have any curtains or blinds and if so, why? [or you can ask them if they'd be willing to have a streaming camera installed in their bedroom]

Someone I don't know listening to my phone conversation? Who cares. My neighbor seeing me naked? Now I care. That's the answer you'd get.

Actually, in western Europe I'd expect the exact opposite reaction.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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So roll over and take it like a champ? If everyone thought this way, there would have been no revolution. At some point, enough is enough and I say that that point is way past.

Well, if enough people say "enough is enough"... what next. My mobile device is tied to my phone, I have some work discounts attached to my service, I have a contract (which will gain fees for early termination). These issues make it highly improbably to truly do any action (when it comes to businesses). However, there is a way politically to actually get something done, but that requires the masses to actually organ…

may be start by refusing to sign contracts for anything other than what is absolutely necessary (like apartment lease, for example)? don't sign contracts for gyms, phones, cable etc? that would make it a tiny bit easier to switch between services?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Don't reboot the system, rewrite it. Instead of a representative government most western countries suffer, switch to democracy. I mean, democracy . Where the people decide for their rules directly. Where real democratic processes such as random trials are used, instead elections which by nature are heavily influenced by a tiny elite. Where the constitution itself is not written by those who will later rule the countr…

True democracy is a far worse sort of government than a representative republic because it is essentially mob rule. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch." -said by somebody

Ancient Athens was not mob rule, as far as I know.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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I hate to use this tone but, so be it. Maybe now you morons who continue to vote in the pieces of shit into our government who are bent on taking more and more power for themselves will wake up and figure it out? How much more proof do you need? Does this make you angry yet or is Obama still your diety? Oh, and Republicans don't get a pass either. The point is that all of you morons voting like robots along party lin…

Vote Republican: Patriot act created Vote Democratic: Patriot act abused I'm not sure where this leaves us, which is worse?

“The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.” ― George Orwell

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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I am not American, so I am not an as immersed in your politics as many of you so take it with a grain of salt but this is my opinion. Obama is about the most dangerous thing that could have happened to your government. Why? In most of the world outside from the US, after Bush's second term, you simply couldn't defend him. My family tends to be very pro USA (blindly), but with Bush, it got to the point that it was not…

The problem isn't really with Obama, it's that the American people haven't done much against the government's attempts at power grabs. There are a variety of reasons for why not, ignorance being high on the list, but perhaps the most prominent reason is that we expect our government to keep us safe, for better or worse. If Americans are just now getting upset about this, it's ultimately our own fault, as this was the…

> The net, basically, is that privacy is nobody's 'hot-button' issue because even while somebody can espouse the inherent ignorance of the "If you have nothing to hide..." argument, we, for the most part, don't have anything to hide. So while we don't acquiesce to these intrusions of privacy, we let them fall by the wayside in the wake of more important issues

Perfectly stated. Not sure what the solution might be other than removing layers of influence from politicians hands. What should they really be doing?

Perhaps we ought to hyper-compartmentalize their jobs. Te US Constitution is great, but it was written centuries ago. C'mon folks, a lot of it does not align with modern reality.

For example, healthcare laws ought to be in the hands of a team with relevant domain expertise. Why are we allowing ignorant representatives to have any say at all? Why is it that we dump it all on the laps of the Senate and the House. Most of those people are lawyers. Patent law is an example of the shit they can create. The House? Holy shit! Have you seen the kind of people who land those jobs? Why do they have so much power?

Te problem you allude to would be resolved if we divided-up decision making along domains. Now you can publish basic qualifications for each domain and create prerequisites for each position. Then people, if they care enough, would be able to vote for domain-specific representation.

I could then vote for someone who thinks along my lines when it comes to healthcare, gun control, budgets, building bridges, social programs, military spending, etc. different people, each with less overall power yet far more understanding and command of their chosen domain.

I want doctors to set healthcare laws, not lawyers or politicians. I want engineers and entrepreneurs to create intellectual property laws, not lawyers. I want qualified financial experts to set fiscal policy, not lawyers, politicians or the President. I want infrastructure experts to manage our infrastructure, not some politician who owes union thugs for their votes. I don't want unions nearly anywhere and particularly not in education.

It simply makes no sense to have the same person have rule-making power over topics ranging from encryption, surveillance and healthcare to education, defense and social concerns. They can't possibly be good at making decisions in all domains and they keep getting voted into office by catering to large groups behind major causes who they become prostituted to.

Perfect? Nope. Nothing is.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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As a non american, my theory about why your state is allow to abuse it's power to such a degree is that your democratic system disincentivize multiple parties and so a fair competition. I understand that the ruling party is the one with the largest share of votes rather than whatever group of parties who can agree to work with each other comprising the majority of the votes. You should need 50% of the votes to rule.…

There are three particularly big problems in the US system today. 1) Lobbyists 2) Tort 3) The Federal Reserve / federal banker insider system The lobbyists are powerful because of what they can buy, because of the nearly total power over the economy that the Federal Govt. possesses. If the politicians can't dictate economic policy, then buying them is worthless. The desperate need for tort reform is obvious. The Fede…

Lobbyists - I agree serious repair/surgery is needed. Ideas?

Tort reform - Why? What, other than torts, provides a counterbalance to corporate and executive power? What, other than torts, protects the weak from the powerful? Most tort reform seems to be an attempt by a group to wipe out oversight.

The Fed - needs to be restricted to a smaller role: control of inflation.

But what about the TSA, FBI, NSA et al? What a miraculous event it would be were these agencies reduced to their pre-9/11 levels or better, to a level 20 years prior to that. IIRC the various states' attorneys-generals issued a statement that the Patriot Act was completely unnecessary, but here we are anyway.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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No government? Who said that? Where? We need a simple and limited government that remains out of our lives in nearly every imaginable way. Every human being on this planet is born free. We created these monstrous governmental systems that, effectively, enslave us in one way or another. I can't go for a swim in my local lake. My government will not allow it. I can easily swim 1500 meters or more. Swim every day. Yet,…

> No government? Who said that? Where? We need a simple and limited government. No, no, no. Stop backpedaling. You said this before: > Ultra limited government. That's pretty close to "no" government, so his points still stand. The problem isn't government in general , any more than it is people in general . It's things that are broken or aren't working well. It can just as easily be said about the private sector. Ye…

No, ultra-limited government means a government with significantly reduced power, reach and size with respect to what we have today. It does not mean "no government". Considering how massive and all encompassing our governments are now, even after severely reducing it at all levels we'd still have quite a few people running our cities, states and country.

You can twist it any way you want but nobody is calling for no government, that would be insane.

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