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Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by csense »

dave1010uk wrote: post #53
buster wrote: post #4

Now what about releease notes? :-) (edit: some information is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview ) Currently i am thinking of switching to LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) because i don't really like the way Ubuntu is going with Unity, Mir, upstart, doing too much stuff on its own. Anyone with experience from LMDE here? Is it stable? Pros? Cons?

I've switched all my desktop/laptop installs to Xubuntu. All you need to do is "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" and you get a nice, fast, clean desktop. It's also easy to switch back to Ubuntu and, as it's just a remix of Ubuntu, 99% of all the packages just work, support documentation is still valid and practically shares the same user base. Xubuntu is still lead by Ubuntu though and it currently uses upstart.…

The parent comment made me check out the official site.

The top feature on this page is a deal-breaker for me: http://xfce.org/about/tour

A Linux distro with no local man pages? Seriously? I sometimes use my laptop in places that don't have wifi. Not to mention the fact that the online manpages may become out of sync with upstream, or that the online manpage may describe a different version than what you have installed locally, e.g. if you're using an LTS version that's years old...

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by progrock »

khyryk wrote: post #122
fsiefken wrote: post #80

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If you don't like orange, take a look at Lubuntu 13.04. It has nice minimal icon set and is blue instead of orange.

One could first try installing Advanced Settings from the Ubuntu Software Center and playing around with the GTK+ theme and the icon theme.

Problem I've found is that there aren't any simple GUIs for creating/tweaking GTK3 themes. You could configure the colour scheme slightly (5 colours) with Gnome 2 and the older GTK engine. The other thing, is that you still have a mix of GTK3, GTK2 and non GTK apps, well at least I think that's true. OpenOffice being an example. It's an annoying problem for any distro, but the end result is that you end up with loads of inconsistency.

In short it's more of a pig for a user to configure their desktop style than it was in Windows 98.

So yes you could swap your theme, but I have yet to find many professional themes, and even the better ones like Bluebird, have issues.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by thenonsequitur »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #253
jebblue wrote: post #240

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"help with windows", 2.5 Billion, with a "B", hits. Do not pretend 100% or even a large percentage of Windows users never need power user help at a minimum.

The most popular desktop operating system on earth returns 2.5 billion hits. So what? Large numbers without basis for comparison are meaningless. I can't think how you'd get that basis here. The only thing you can really say on that basis is that less than 100% of users had no problems. # I didn't pretend that people never needed help with Windows. I said I hadn't had any real problems with it since 98 and asked what…

"If Windows were equally messed up as Linux I'd expect to run into the problems at around the same rate."

My personal experience (as someone who has been dual-booting Windows and Ubuntu for nearly a decade and uses both operating systems regularly) is that both have a lot of annoying problems, but Windows has always been way more of a pain in the ass, and I've run into more problems using it. Especially when it comes to driver issues, Windows has problems (it took hours to get a standard WiFi card to work, and once my video driver got corrupted so badly the system wouldn't even let my try to fix it, and restore failed -- I had to reinstall the OS to fix it).

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by thenonsequitur »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #271
vacri wrote: post #257

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You clearly aren't the "computer whiz" in your family, who has to field all the "can you help me? Microsoft isn't working. I think I've been hacked, do you think it's a virus? Why is my computer so slow? Why is fixing it taking so long?" issues. As for your ubuntu issues - you booted off a liveCD. Good for you. Now, how many liveCDs have you seen of Windows? How widespread are they? Anyway, the same problems apply in…

> You clearly aren't the "computer whiz" in your family, who has to field all the "can you help me? Microsoft isn't working. I think I've been hacked, do you think it's a virus? Why is my computer so slow? Why is fixing it taking so long?" issues. There's a limit of naivety beyond which everyone will need help, yes. I simply believe that you can get away with being more naive with Windows most of the time. I don't ha…

To be fair, Windows 7 typically still has that network driver problem with new ThinkPads. Fortunately, ThinkPad is a good company, and they make it relatively easy to locate and download the right network driver to put on a thumb drive, if you don't have an install disk handy (happens more commonly than you suggest). This is easy if you know what you're doing, but, of course, next to impossible without some power user knowledge (it also requires access to another computer with a working internet connection and a thumb drive).

And also to be fair, XP is in a valid sense only one version out of date. Vista was a fiasco, and that's not just a meme -- Vista was released way ahead of schedule and still had a ton of known unresolved bugs. It was by far MS's most buggy release, and the whole thing was a disaster. Compared to the relative stability of XP, Vista was a step backwards. And while Windows 7 can rightly be called a newer version of Windows XP (and is better in nearly every way), it would be a stretch to say that Windows 8 is a newer version of Windows 7. Windows 8 is a fork into a different paradigm, and is so different it's not even comparable to Windows 7 along a number of dimensions.

All that said, XP is still pretty damn out of date, even with the latest service pack installed, and if Windows 7 is an option, it's usually a better one. Of course, XP uses less memory, so it may be suitable for particularly old computers. And for people that don't like to pirate software, owning a copy XP is a great reason to stick with XP (if it works well enough, why fork out the money for Windows 7?).

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