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>It's recent enough that people living today knew a slave. Slavery ended in 1865. That's 161 years ago. So maybe there are a few modern 80-year-olds who interacted with 80-year-old former slaves when the modern 80-year-olds were infants. Those 80-year-old former slaves would themselves have no memory of slavery since it would've ended before they could form memories. And the modern 80-year-olds would have no memory o…
You know something that happened more recently than prohibition in the US? Civil rights legislation. It’s impossible to take you the slightest bit seriously. Ignorance and stupidity are ultimately inseparable.
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#292Corruption in the US isn't new, but it's never been done as openly as it has been recently. I don't think it's a good thing. It shows that the government isn't concerned about what the public thinks, which suggests that they believe they no longer have to be. That's not a healthy sign for what's supposed to be a democracy.
Saying “US corruption isn’t new” is a truism. There are probably isolated incidents, and many unproven theories, but everyone is quick to agree with this statement because it’s a common feeling everyone has now for some reason. The reality of corruption is likely much smaller and more boring than people think. What we’re witnessing now is what should be called corruption. That corruption that everyone has been scream…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanborn_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Ring
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1869)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9dit_Mobilier_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_land_fraud_scandal
and that's just the 19th century, nevermind the 20th.
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You're moving the goalposts. Your comment stated: "And does Brazil have their own 13th amendment that allows them to use prison labor as their modern slave workforce?" The article I linked states: "Most countries’ legal systems, however, carve out an exception for prisoner-workers, permitting the state to require them to work..." So my quote directly answers your original concern. Your new concern is about private pr…
>You're moving the goalposts Rich from someone that brought up slavery from nowhere.
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying “US corruption isn’t new” is a truism. There are probably isolated incidents, and many unproven theories, but everyone is quick to agree with this statement because it’s a common feeling everyone has now for some reason. The reality of corruption is likely much smaller and more boring than people think. What we’re witnessing now is what should be called corruption. That corruption that everyone has been scream…
Counterpoints: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanborn_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1869) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9dit_Mobilier_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_land_fraud_scandal and that's just the 19th century, nevermind the 20th.
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This is correct. That is why I changed from independent to an actual political party. There is no point, it is highly improbable that I would ever vote for the party that is against my values. The two main US political parties are diametrically opposed.
So, vote for a third party. If you don't actually like the candidate you vote for, you're engaging in political negligence. When I vote, I almost never vote for a Republican or Democrat candidate because they are, by and large, not people I want representing me. So I vote for someone I do want representing me.
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The half that supports this nonsense genuinely believes this level of corruption has always existed. They're just happy it's their team this time. I simply do not understand American politics.
Imagine there had been no Nuremberg trials. The Nazis just got a slap on the wrist and almost immediately let back into politics as usual. That's how we got here. We're still fighting the remnants of the confederacy. Germany and Japan in particular purged most of those elements from their society. Here we built statues to the evil fucks.
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#299DOGE was going to save us billions, perhaps even 0.2-0.4% of the 7T budget. Incredible! It was of course a sham, has found incredibly little, and was just a political chainsaw The Purge night. But that vocabulary is back again, has been faking the rounds once again, with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson using it quite a lot again.
A huge part is that this is projection, sure. That these corrupt people are doing the time honored tactic: accuse the other guy of exactly what you are doing. But also, we should take seriously the other upside for them/downside for the world: that terrormongering, telling us we are under attack, making us believe in a callous entropic world of horrors where everything is out to get us just makes us spiritually weak. That having no belief in anything, that undermining our spirit: that makes it much easier to loot and plunder the nation, and to keep quietly lobbying to bend all the rules to suit their amassed wealth.
Reminder again: in Piketty's Capital in the 21st Century he doesn't argue we should tax rich people through the nose to raise revenue. He says it's vital because otherwise unchecked wealth translates itself to media power, political power, that it becomes an ever larger ever more lopsided threat against democracy, and that we must take the rich to keep a democracy. The story telling here, that corruption is rank, often comes from the most corrupt, and weirdly, if delivered broadly, the risk is it yet again helps them, creates a disbelief in governance broadly, that prevents people from striving and hoping for better.
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I think it's worse. It's not that the government doesn't care that the public hates it; it's more like the government is doing whatever it wants and half the public is going wild absolutely loving it. Well, maybe a bit less than half these days.
The half that supports this nonsense genuinely believes this level of corruption has always existed. They're just happy it's their team this time. I simply do not understand American politics.
We just don’t see the slavery because we are the best compensated slaves. But most of us want to become masters, don’t we. “Entrepreneurs“, right? So at some level we know that that is the system we live in. And we are at the top of the bottom rung of that ladder. But it is still the bottom rung. And it is still a ladder.