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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by bloak »

reedf1 wrote: post #282
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

This would still be destruction of evidence - virtually your only defense against that would be if it was not triggered by you .

Since you seem to know about this, what are the actual rules about "destruction of evidence" in your jurisdiction? What does the accused need to have known for a crime to have been committed?

(Common sense tells me that the accusation might make sense both in cases in which the accused knows about a crime and in cases in which the accused knows about a police investigation, even in the absence of a crime, but deleting nude photographs to stop a customs officer from seeing them, for a random example, would that be a crime?)

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by Nextgrid »

inigyou wrote: post #280
BoppreH wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That matches my understanding too. Unfortunately it sounds like the poster was suggesting to wipe the device after the government requests access, and was probably not planning on telling the officers about the trigger.

With fingerprint unlock it's not your choice. That's what makes it clever. The cop can grab your finger and hold it to the scanner while you tell him not to do that.

Presumably you must disclose that "doing that" would wipe the device... and you better hope this is caught on some neutral party's camera so there is a record of you saying that.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by M95D »

tdeck wrote: post #24
Razengan wrote: post #3

The EFF or some other watchdog should put out some public ads that depict corporations as a creepy person stalking someone: It's a lot more disgusting and universally hated when you hear about a peeping tom, or a pervert, or a jealous ex hounding someone, but when faceless corporations and governments do it to EVERYBODY 24/7, everyone's like, ehh. I mean, right now, just think about me, clicking on your HN profile, g…

This puts me in mind of the infamous GMail Man commercial that Microsoft put out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4jTvxPruw

Infamous because of what GMail is doing, or infamous because Microsoft does the same?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by close04 »

nisegami wrote: post #288
inigyou wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happened because he chose to give the duress PIN. Cops are allowed to just grab your finger and scan it against your protest. You can say "don't do that, it'll wipe my phone" and they'll do it anyway and it'll wipe your phone, and now it certainly isn't your fault.

What does it matter? The state certainly isn't going to throw up its hands and say "you got us". They're still going to try to make it out to be your fault and even if you do successfully argue it wasn't of your volition, they've still robbed you of years of your life and hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees.

> they've still robbed you of years of your life and hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees.

Intentionally giving a duress PIN which you know will wipe evidence - information you were just asked for by some law enforcement - just robs you of more of years and money. The law is lopsided and gives some more power than others. There's no point debating why it's like that, try to change the law before you break it or find ways to not need to break it at all.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by shevy-java »

reedf1 wrote: post #282
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

This would still be destruction of evidence - virtually your only defense against that would be if it was not triggered by you .

How can they reason that evidence was destroyed when they can not prove it ever existed in the first place?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by nbernard »

wackro wrote: post #290
inigyou wrote: post #284

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The point is how do you know it's a Faraday box?

Presumably if you're driven by paranoia to buy or make a Faraday box you will be paranoid enough to try putting your phone in it and calling it

The problem is a Faraday box only attenuates signals. And it usually does not attenuate all frequencies identically.

So your test may seem successful, but the box not be enough closer to a tower, or if your neighbor added a new AP, or if cell phone frequencies changed since you bought and tested it. Moreover, if you have to open and close it often, you have to be careful that the attenuation doesn't degrade.

All that to say that the "Faraday box solution" would mean testing it regularly with professional instruments and all that. It is far simpler and cheaper to ask guests to leave their phones in their cars.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by ares623 »

In this thread, the world's most brilliant minds are confused as to how to solve this problem.

If you're looking for the ones responsible for bringing this on, just look in the mirror.

How can you say both "oh, people won't need jobs anymore! I'm excited that technology is going to replace what I do" and "oh, I can't speak up about the things my company is doing, I need this job!" in the same breath?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by inigyou »

nisegami wrote: post #288
inigyou wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happened because he chose to give the duress PIN. Cops are allowed to just grab your finger and scan it against your protest. You can say "don't do that, it'll wipe my phone" and they'll do it anyway and it'll wipe your phone, and now it certainly isn't your fault.

What does it matter? The state certainly isn't going to throw up its hands and say "you got us". They're still going to try to make it out to be your fault and even if you do successfully argue it wasn't of your volition, they've still robbed you of years of your life and hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees.

Well that applies to anything you do that the state doesn't like, so may as well just give up and kill yourself? Or what's your plan?
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