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Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by mihaic »

zaik wrote: post #287
mihaic wrote: post #214

The people choosing these banknotes put their office buildings on the money. They also seemed to have a gender quota, and have put on the 200 euro someone who is unknown to most Europeans (Marie Curie and Maria Callas were popular on the other hand). Honestly, I enjoy plenty of benefits from the EU, but this non-representative style of decision-making makes me understand the EU-haters.

> unknown to most Europeans Good opportunity to learn!

Why Bertha von Suttner and not someone like Dag Hammarskjold for instance? Why not my grandmother? She brokered peace between all our neighbours.

When you propose someone, the burden of proof is on you to say why that specific option should be chosen, instead of anything else possible.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by CrLf »

watwut wrote: post #254
CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

I feel like this comment section is all about people searching for a reason to get offended. How dare you to use a face! How dare you to use a building! How dare they use something some country specific! And even worst, generic! Oh no, a building of an institution! No matter what is in, people looking to twist it in offense will find a reason.

I don't see anyone getting offended. People are allowed to disagree and dislike, and argue in a civilized manner, which is what I do see.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by yencabulator »

crote wrote: post #219
Bewelge wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate what you mean? Are you against the idea of European cooperation in general? Or against the implementation? If there is to be European cooperation that goes beyond heads of states talking to each other, you're going to need some kind of space where they can do that. Using that building as a symbol seems like an obvious choice albeit not a very creative one. Really struggle to see how that choice can…

The average European does not view those buildings as symbols of European cooperation. They are just another generic office building some nameless and faceless bureaucrats work in. They lack the symbolism and recognizability of some US buildings like the White House, the Capitol, or the Pentagon - which are all inherently linked to the institutions they host. A movie showing an external shot of the White House establ…

You're describing American propaganda that Europeans tend to avoid...

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by maratc »

meeshmuesh wrote: post #249
asdf88990 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think people of some countries might protest Gutenberg, Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Maria Callas, Beethoven, or Marrie Currie? If such people exist, fuck em.

It's not about protesting, it's about representation. They were born into what are now, Germany, Germany, Italy, USA, Germany, Polish. Why not any of the below ? Austria: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Belgium: Georges Lemaître Bulgaria: Saint Cyril Croatia: Nikola Tesla Cyprus: Zeno of Citium Czechia: Franz Kafka Denmark: Hans Christian Andersen Estonia: Jaan Kross Finland: Jean Sibelius France: Napoleon Bonaparte Greece:…

Good point, however

> Latvia: Mark Rothko

Marcus Rotkowitz was Jewish, born in Dvinsk, Russian Empire (today Daugavpils in Latvia) and emigrated when he was 10 (and Latvia wasn't a country yet.) At home, he spoke Yiddish and Russian, and probably didn't know a word in Latvian (at the time, Dvinsk population was half Jewish, with the rest divided between Russians, Poles, and Latvians).

Your idea that he's the guy who should represent Latvia on a European banknote would probably quickly get you burned at the stake at Doms Square in Riga.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by naishoya »

crote wrote: post #213
tialaramex wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer the Birds & Rivers theme because nobody is expecting a specific bird to meet some arbitrary ideal whereas if you put identifiable humans on a banknote people start to mistake their inevitable flaws for a desirable property. I feel this more strongly for statues, but it seems desirable for the Euro or any potential international currency too.

> nobody is expecting a specific bird to meet some arbitrary ideal People will still find ways to get upset about none or too few of the birds being present in their country, or "their bird" being depicted on the "cheap" notes. There are very few birds which are commonly seen throughout all of the EU, from cold and wet Finland to hot and dry Spain. Virtually all birds have a limited geographical living area, which me…

Pan-European Migratory Species:

Barn Swallow (Hirundo rustica): Migrates and breeds across all EU territories from Southern to Northern Europe.

White Stork (Ciconia ciconia): Uses major European flyways crossing through virtually all EU nations during spring and autumn migration.

European Robin (Erithacus rubecula): Widespread resident and migrant present in every EU country.

Common Quail (Coturnix coturnix): A highly migratory ground bird breeding regularly in all EU member states.

Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla): A remarkably adaptable migratory songbird found traversing or breeding in every EU country.

Additional Widespread European Migrants:

Common Swift (Apus apus): Spends summers breeding in all EU nations before migrating to Sub-Saharan Africa.

Common Cuckoo (Cuculus canorus): A widespread brood parasite present across every EU country during the spring breeding season. Eurasian Skylark (Alauda arvensis): Moves dynamically across all EU borders, adapting via partial migration.

Song Thrush (Turdus philomelos): A migratory and resident songbird found throughout the entire European Union. Common Chiffchaff (Phylloscopus collybita): A highly migratory leaf warbler that breeds or passes through every EU state.

Many species of birds are HIGHLY migratory, spend some part of every year chasing weather that supports and provides food for them.

Some of these make round trips from the sub-Arctic to sub-Saharan climates every year. So a list of birds that is acceptable and not 'favoring' any one nation is an easy move. Choosing birds that actually are found in all 27 member nations is a great idea.

Even Malta and Cyprus see all ten of these species as they provide important migration stopovers in the Mediterranean during migration and a few of these species, the Quail even manages to have historically had breeding populations in both, as well as using the islands as key migratory stopovers.

Using birds on an Euro note can help draw public awareness to the ongoing need for cooperation among nations in the protections of a shared symbol of natural freedom, which migratory birds embody.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by luplex »

CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

You know what, I have seen many hypothetical criticisms like this, but not a single complaint from someone whose country would "not be represented". Maybe this just isn't a problem? Like I'm from Germany, and I would be completely fine if they had picked only people from e.g. eastern Europe, if they were cool enough!

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Post by luplex »

CrLf wrote: post #289
hammock wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries Why do you believe that? That sounds overly nationalistic to me. In the Schengen zone you can live and work in any country. Europe even accepts a lot of undocumented people from outside Europe, willingly. The whole European project seems to be about breaking down national borders in a pro…

You're free to read it as nationalism if you like, although I 'm very far from being nationalist, and I'd prefer if my paper money didn't provide fuel for nationalism. The European project has worked all these years because it stands on the idea that we are all europeans with shared values, but also different countries with our own cultures. We are all the same yet different. The Euro banknotes (even though the Euro…

I think that actually these specific people would be a great choice for the Euro banknotes, because they are inspiring across borders. None of them are "national heroes". In Germany, we like Beethoven not because he was an exemplary German, but because he wrote bangers. In Germany, we look up to Marie Curie, because she won two Nobel prizes for cool research, no matter her nationalities! And they both migrated between European countries, like exemplary Europeans.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by luplex »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #229
CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

Your issue is that people in Spain look at their note and think “da Vinci isn’t us, he’s them”. Their idea is that they want people all over the EU to think of da Vinci as “us”. Over time, it’ll become more normal to consider luminaries from other European countries as part of the shared heritage. That said there will be countries that may ask why their guy can’t make it to the note. Why not Herge, the Belgians might…

Okay but would people in Spain really have an issue with da Vinci? isn't he cool af to everyone? isn't the Italian renaissance shared European history?

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by dyarosla »

sakjur wrote: post #167

I find the bridges to be rather brilliant, as they're distinctly European without being placeable (until Spijkenisse got feeling[1]). The least historical governmental buildings in Europe seems like an awful choice by contrast: They're tied to a physical location in western Europe that most of us have little to no connection to. They're boring (which is not a criticism of the buildings, they're functional which is th…

Latvia and Estonia are Baltics, not Nordics
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