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US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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The US didn't do that, Israel did. I suspect behind closed doors, Trump thought Bibi went a little overboard there

? It was a coordinated air strike from USA and Isreal. Isreals only power to doing so, was knowing USA was behind it.

Can't name any strikes Israel did that the US didn't support?

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Don't overlook the "the people of this foreign land are yearning to be free of their current rulers, and just need a little help from their neighborly U.S. armed forces" trope. I think there are plenty of people who actually believe it.

Are you sure the claim is false?

I guess it doesn't matter if the Iranian people want regime change in their country. Lots of people want lots of different things (plus a pony). It only matters what they do. And it doesn't appear that they want regime change enough to take the risks of making it happen. I suppose this is the hubris of polling.

A.) Would you be happy if the government changed? (85% approval)

B.) Are you willing to potentially sacrifice your life and the lives of your sons to change the government? (3% approval)

Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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Just remember those states are already handout states. They take more money in than they give back. They also have some bizarre cultural hatred for the blue states and cities that make this country an economic superpower. The idea NYC shouldn't do its best to take care of its own because people in Alabama aren't getting enough is nonsensical. Imo they already get far more than they deserve.

It mostly goes back to when mortgages (then other debts) were handled by local banks by law, then people in NYC changed those laws so all the money was routed to them. It's not like NYC is just purely more productive, it just found a way to ensure all money must go through them, and they take some of it as almost a form of a new tax. Not that this more central form of banking is all bad, but when almost all the "real…

This point is overly generous.

Contingency around wealth occurs in myriad ways. It's not like other blue cities are not wealthy. Obviously the financialization of the economy is quite evident in New York in particular, as it is in places like London or Shanghai or Hong Kong. This was often preceded by times when these cities were also notable as ports and more "real" (to use your phrase) centers of trade. Other blue cities do well for different reasons. The fact is the kind of "real" work you have described has been devalued over a long period of history, and going back to that is not desirable. Even in Roman times, Rome was not were the food was made. If you are a country today, as back then, were the greatest thing you can achieve is "food" and "building" you are considered a weak society. These are things humanity has already solved for centuries ago. Since the dawn of civilization. That's what civilization is. Advances since have always come with some degree of "financialization" or "service economy". If that makes you upset then you can give up the medicine, peace, science, etc that comes with civilization and go back to when "real" work was extremely valued because you had to kill for your food everyday. What could be more "real" than that?

I understand the resentment of poverty to wealth. This is not what I am referring to when it comes to Alabama and New York. The cultural resentment towards NYC in particular from these places is egregious. It's not about wealth, it's about religion, it's about diversity, and it's about demonization.

It's become such a thoughtless exercise on the mainstream right to essentially claim that people in New York City are not "real Americans". That they don't have "American values". To the point where when people like Ted Cruz get openly challenged on this it feels like something of a revelation. The moment Trump turned another such diatribe against Cruz was another strong signal he was going to take over that party.[1] And yet this lazy rhetorical convention has not retired. It is disgraceful. Why do major political candidates in a system with only two parties engage in such transparent attacks on a city of millions of their fellow citizens? Obama made one little "cling to their guns" comment and was forced to prostrate himself in apology. Meanwhile in these "red" states treating New Yorkers or other blue states as almost satanic is par for the course. This is not the resentment of wealth alone.

It would be one thing if it was just empty political rhetoric. But it is not. People in New York do not obsess over people in Alabama. We don't fantasize about sending our national guard into their states, or stealing their elections, or deporting their populations who don't look like us. We don't obsess about crime rates in their cities, which are worse in many red states per capita than our own. We tolerate the fact that most guns used in inner city crime, our so-called "gun free zones" come from guns in poorly regulated red states, as if the southside of Chicago houses weapon manufacturing factories. As far as I can tell the resentment from people in Alabama or Arkansas and the like comes from wanting to return to an age where they could pelt young black girls with hatred and abuse for wanting to go to school and having to suffer the federal government sending troops there to tell them to act like the civilized society they claim to be [2]. If you do not acknowledge a very specific type of hatred has been festering in these places for sometime I would suggest you are not paying enough attention and need to reacquaint yourself with your history. If we didn't have to protect people like the Little Rock Nine the same resentment would not exist. When Southern plantation owners could depend on enslaved labor, the gap between the North and the South was not so vast. Many of the framers understood in the long run this was not sustainable, and that a civil war was likely inevitable if "all men are created equal" was to actually succeed.

Along these lines, something we may wish to consider in the future is returning to a spirit of federalism, that is, a weaker federal government and more autonomous states. That is, provided retrograde states like Alabama or Arkansas do not once again use such a framework as a pretext to perpetuate a system of racial slavery onto their own citizens. Perhaps the average person in Alabama has learned enough that for the time being the best thing for them is to leave them not only more in charge of their own affairs, but far less in charge of our own. Who will they blame for their condition then? If the states somehow replicated a civil war style secession in peace would Alabama suddenly be enriched? Would the price of food suddenly disobey the laws of demand and supply? Is their plan to make no money at all? These are people who don't think tariffs affect prices. Then when their farmers predictably lose money blue states get robbed to pay the subsidy. All while this constant drumbeat of cultural war emanates from these places.

Imo we don't need to bend over backwards to indulge their resentment. We have suffered these types of people long enough. We already have debates within NYC about wealth and poverty. We don't need to add the ingredients that come from places like Alabama or West Virginia. Hillbilly Elegy style takes would be a little more palatable if people like JD Vance didn't come in and transparently serve the Epstein criminal class and call Americans who don't want their neighbors rounded up like dogs "domestic terrorists". I'll take John Brown over JD Vance any day of the week.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6qRl3dSME [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine

Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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China and Russia would love that. It would also be very bad for European security that is mostly guaranteed by U.S. strength and willingness to fight wars.

President threatened (emptily) to cut off all trade from Spain the other day.

I wasn’t aware of that but it looks like he is upset that Spain won’t meet its defense spending commitments for NATO. Which goes back to my point about how the EU is totally reliant on the US for security. Europe’s biggest threat is itself, they won’t even do the bare minimum to ensure their security.

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> I wonder if anyone is going to learn a lesson about overregulation. Seems unlikely. Regulation and Health & Safety are both societal luxuries, which only happen once societies are stable and prosperous enough to start valuing human life beyond its ability to perform labour. The moment the bombs start dropping, the time for luxuries also stops, and the value of human life drops to value a person can produce defendin…

And yet the regulation actually will result in more dead soldiers or else it wouldn't be the first thing that goes out the window in a war.

Perhaps, but, for better or worse, it's about optics. It looks better to say a soldier died bravely in war than it does to say they died because of a friendly-fire incident with a drone with shoddy control software.

Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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CI doesn't mean doing all the tests all the time though. The expensive tests still wait until there's a major reason to run them. I had the same question as the parent and I still don't quite see why this can't work.

I didn't work on this project, but I've been involved with similar ones. There is a process for getting a change into version control. Each change needs to have a (virtual) paper trail: motivation, risk analysis, sign-offs &c. If you can't get something into VC quickly, you can't really do CI. The obvious solution would be to have an integration branch that doesn't need the process to get in, do CI testing on that br…

That sounds odd. The way it was done in every place I worked, is that a set of changes were approved for a release before they were planned and implemented. We organized the work as expected: each bug/feature on its own branch, with its own set of unit tests, etc., and automated testing applied on each commit. These branches are then merged to the integration branch once they are known good. Before the release process starts, QA would get a copy of the integration branch and test that.

The dependency problem doesn't exist, because all the features were already approved to be in the release. The only way there would be a problem is if someone decided late in the game to pull a feature and that feature was a dependency to something else.

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I’m no military expert by any means but US appears to be obsessed with destroying some super important target to win, like they did with killing Iran leaders only to find out that new leader replace the perished. The same with the other stuff, they have super important radar and super important ships that need to be defended and a failure creates irreplaceable loses. Iran on the other hand, just like with their super…

HN has been compromised by propaganda bots that can't decide between "The US is a paper tiger that can't win anything" and "The US is bullying poor Iran". Only a fool would think the US can't win militarily. Here's how: 1. Flatten Kharg 2. Flatten a dozen roads critical to transportation infrastructure 3. Continue the blockade 4. Stonewall peace attempts 5. Wait 5-6 weeks and win The Trump administration isn't doing…

The US can "win" for some definition of the word but at what cost to the US and the world in general? Would that really be a win or would it be a loss?

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> There are ~350,000,000 of us. When I read we spent $1B, I think about how I'm responsible for $3 of that. Less than half are net income tax payers, IIRC. So if you pay income tax, you're actually on the hook for more $6, on average.

Another way to look at it; I'll be long gone when a child born today will be paying it. Why do you think I'm concerned about a child who I will never meet getting stuck with debt I voted to accrue?

Sounds like Social Security.

Re: US seeks cheaper hunter-killer drones after Iran destroys $1B worth of Reapers

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While I am critical of Ukraine being in talks to join the EU (which IMHO it shouldn't), I am quite happy that we in EU kind of have built good relationships with Ukraine - military drone construction knowledge and expierience will become a key technology field, as cooperations between Ukraine and Europe after the war (however that will look like) will probably strengthen europes defense capabilities.

I'm curious, why do you think Ukraine shouldn't want to join the EU? Or do you think the EU shouldn't want them to join?

Because given the current state it is in, it will receive net-payments from the other EU states for decades and we are already on a descending path economically in the EU. No more foreign subsidies and helps until we got our own ship back on course.

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Don't overlook the "the people of this foreign land are yearning to be free of their current rulers, and just need a little help from their neighborly U.S. armed forces" trope. I think there are plenty of people who actually believe it.

Are you sure the claim is false?

> Are you sure the claim is false?

No one in Iran wants their children bombed for US to "free them". US and Israel don't care about Iran.

They just want to destroy our country and take our wealth. Like they have been doing all over the world.

Source: Iranian who doesn't support the Islamic Republic, but have some family members who do.

We can resolve our internal issues with discourse (and sometimes violence if it comes to it).

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