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GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by __alexs »

appplication wrote: post #153
armcat wrote: post #70

I keep seeing these "sovereign" LMs time and time again. In Sweden we had GPT-SW3 ( https://www.ai.se/en/project/gpt-sw3 ) and same story there. Instead of burning money on "sovereign" claims, national research labs should instead focus on building on top of solid baselines (like Qwen/Kimi) and finetuning frontier models with real agentic utility that can be applied across actual use cases and can be widely used by i…

Disagree, it’s in the country’s best interest to facilitate internal expertise on the full stack and own their “supply chain” so to speak and fight brain drain. The outcome isn’t just the model, it’s the expertise. Otherwise all their smartest folks will depart for countries where LLM development is strongest.

Surely this just uses state funds to train a pipeline of people to be immediately poached by frontier labs?

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

nradov wrote: post #276
Certhas wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "vaguely nationalistic world view around tech" is a direct consequence of the US government weaponizing its leading tech firms reach into the EU for nationalistic purposes. The EU was build on the principles of collaboration, to overcome the nationalistic impulses. Free trade and free movement of people, no need for everyone to replicate what everyone else is doing. Preventing individual nation states from favor…

Let's not overstate the case. The EU was built to keep France and Germany from getting into another war, and it has been successful at that. All the other "principles" are just window dressing.

You're vastly underestimating the economic importance of EU integration.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by Gud »

mannanj wrote: post #266
Gud wrote: post #239

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Yes, the current administration has been in power for less than two years so obviously the “day to day life” hasn’t changed much for the average American (except everything has gotten more expensive). The US is no longer looked at as a superpower, it just surrendered to a regional power and will pay $300B USD in tribute. But for Trump and his cronies life certainly has improved. But the damage is done and we are witn…

The us stopped being looked at as a superpower as a brain rotted Alzheimer’s patients president rose to power on the campaign “don’t let Trump win” and then did little productive except stoke wars and pardon his son and his friends from crimes.

I’m assuming you’re talking about Biden, and no, not really. Still considered a superpower.

Up until the second Trump presidency, most of us outside the USA had basically the same opinion as we had before. Pretty messed up politics , but strong economy and strong military.

The first minor dip was with Trumps first presidency. But shit went downhill fast with his second, unfettered reign when MAGA took total control over the Republican Party.

Now it is 110% clear that the American Dream is dead and buried, except for the well connected wealthy, and your military was state of the art, two decades ago.

The 21st century belongs to China and Europe.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by nradov »

mvc wrote: post #287
nradov wrote: post #276

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Let's not overstate the case. The EU was built to keep France and Germany from getting into another war, and it has been successful at that. All the other "principles" are just window dressing.

Isn't it up to Europeans to define the purpose of the EU? What's your claim to having the right to define it?

I'm not defining anything. I'm just explaining why the key decision makers actually created the EU. The statements made for public consumption shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by nradov »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #292
nradov wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not overstate the case. The EU was built to keep France and Germany from getting into another war, and it has been successful at that. All the other "principles" are just window dressing.

You're vastly underestimating the economic importance of EU integration.

Is that why the EU economic growth rate is so stagnant?

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by oneshtein »

ozim wrote: post #88
thevinter wrote: post #73

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And what happens once the "solid baselines" become unavailable for a reason or the other?

Seems like you don’t understand. You take current version and build on top of it. You have the weights. You might not get some n+1 version at some point but the n version you will have will be still most likely much better than whatever you come up with burning good will money of people believing in „sovereignty”. You are not getting ahead in this game by being „true to your local values” capital expenditure is insan…

It seems like you don't understand. For fine tuning, it's cheaper to fine tune an existing model. For massive changes, it's better to retrain from scratch. Otherwise, model will UNLEARN a lot first, and then you will train about twice longer to the same result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophic_interference

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Post by [deleted] »

creesch wrote: post #218
flanked-evergl wrote: post #192

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I mean if morality is just personal preference why do we even allude to it at all?

Is that what I said in your mind? I honestly had to chuckle at the extreme hyperboles you decided to use. Surely having a less favorable view of hyper capitalist economics is on the same level as torture and genocide. Yup, that is a totally reasonable and measured response that just exemplifies acting in good faith. Anyway, thanks for genuine chuckle your response got out of me.

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Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by Marciplan »

rmccue wrote: post #120
jbverschoor wrote: post #110

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NL could simply say: no more ASML machines, and no more ASM wafers.

ASML’s EUV technology is partially based on US research and so Congress has a degree of control over it, so it’s not that simple: https://web.archive.org/web/20230116222847/https://www.nytim...

it is that simple

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Post by nehal3m »

DonHopkins wrote: post #289
nehal3m wrote: post #55

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Funny, that's what I thought when PewDiePie set up his monster AI rig and what he called a 'council'. Quote: "PewDiePie has built a custom web UI for self-hosting AI models called "ChatOS" that runs on his custom PC with 2x RTX 4000 Ada cards, along with 8x modded RTX 4090s with 48 GB of VRAM. Running open-source models from Baidu and OpenAI, PewDiePie made a "council" of bots that voted on the best responses, and th…

Calling a bunch of LLMs a "council" is just rebranding well known ensemble methods with shrill marketing hype, nothing original or out of the ordinary. Mixture of experts and every other idea in his stack has a literature older than PewDiePie's career. Yet another attention craving influencer who shilled crypto scams during the crypto bubble and is now marketing "AI councils" during the AI bubble. He's not a serious…

Lighten up dude.
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