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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by cromka »

pseudosavant wrote: post #133
steveBK123 wrote: post #103

It's crazy how Raspberry Pi & Apple prices have moved in converging direction. Pi 5 8GB is $200 MacBook Neo 8GB is $600 (probably some edu discount available) Sure 3x the price, but it comes with - 256GB SSD, battery, display, keyboard, trackpad.. So the Pi has slowly become too expensive for weird one-off projects and also price competitive with a cheap Mac by the time you add all the stuff you need to use it as a c…

Not a completely invalid or uncommon take, but also not completely correct. People lament that it isn't the $25 like it used to be with the Pi 2/3, but ignore that you can get a Pi Zero 2 W (quad A53 cores like 3B, 512MB RAM) for https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ I wish a Pi 5 (and RAM in general) was cheaper, but Raspberry Pi can't control that.

> you can get a Pi Zero 2 W (quad A53 cores like 3B, 512MB RAM) for Except... You can't. They're sold out almost entirely and none of the distributors can tell when the new batch gets in. At least in EU.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by sharperguy »

pseudosavant wrote: post #133
steveBK123 wrote: post #103

It's crazy how Raspberry Pi & Apple prices have moved in converging direction. Pi 5 8GB is $200 MacBook Neo 8GB is $600 (probably some edu discount available) Sure 3x the price, but it comes with - 256GB SSD, battery, display, keyboard, trackpad.. So the Pi has slowly become too expensive for weird one-off projects and also price competitive with a cheap Mac by the time you add all the stuff you need to use it as a c…

Not a completely invalid or uncommon take, but also not completely correct. People lament that it isn't the $25 like it used to be with the Pi 2/3, but ignore that you can get a Pi Zero 2 W (quad A53 cores like 3B, 512MB RAM) for https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ I wish a Pi 5 (and RAM in general) was cheaper, but Raspberry Pi can't control that.

I can't find a Pi Zero 2 W for sale anywhere that will deliver to me

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by extraduder_ire »

lproven wrote: post #285
qsera wrote: post #211

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I wonder if it be possible for pi to support cheap older generation of RAM modules? And thus use recycled RAM from old computers from scrap?

Nobody responsible or competent is scrapping DDR5 computers yet. You can't use other speed standards of RAM in a computer designed for a faster (or slower) standard. If it needs DDR5 it can't use DDR, DDR2, DDR3, or DDR4. I don't think I've ever seen any x86 machine that could use older slower standards. You could use EDO in some FPRAM machines, and FPDRAM in EDO machines at a 15% speed penalty. You can use slightly…

Intel has released CPUs that support multiple memory standards, but it's up to motherboard manufacturers to wire them up correctly and it's one or the other not both.

Boards with both slots on them have started to be released due to this current ram squeeze. e.g. ASRock's H610M COMBO board[0] has 4 DDR5 and 2 DDR4 slots

[0]: https://asrock.com/MB/Intel/H610M%20COMBO/index.vn.asp#Overv...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by extraduder_ire »

pibaker wrote: post #139
pseudosavant wrote: post #133

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Not a completely invalid or uncommon take, but also not completely correct. People lament that it isn't the $25 like it used to be with the Pi 2/3, but ignore that you can get a Pi Zero 2 W (quad A53 cores like 3B, 512MB RAM) for https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ I wish a Pi 5 (and RAM in general) was cheaper, but Raspberry Pi can't control that.

Some people seem to think raspberry pi is a consumer tech company and whenever a new model is released, the old one will be discontinued. They will complain about the product being changed and the company robbing them of a cheap SBC. I can only assume they don't actually work with the pi because if you spend just a minute looking at any reseller's inventory or even just the official website you will see they still ma…

Everything on their website has a date they promise to manufacture them until.

They really want to assure people that they can get a near identical replacement for years to come if they want to build a product or deploy one somewhere.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by theoutfield »

I’ve used Pi’s quite a bit and probably could have used something else for a lot of applications. When the Pi Pico came out that was an absolute dream for a lot more projects but still lacked the amount of RAM and Flash memory for some projects. Recently I came across the Waveshare ESP32-P4-Module Basic Kit that has 16MB of Flash and 8MB of PSRAM. The board comes in a Pi form factor with the 40 header and MIPI connections for camera and LCD. I’ve been able to port a Linux app by using the ESP IDF port of FreeRTOS and Vuejs/Tailwind for a web UI. The ESP32 P4 has dual core 360/400MHz RISC 5 with a Ethernet port. Waveshare added the C6 to the SOM if you want WiFi. That device is now my go to for anything that used to be done on a Pi. For a lot of other things the ESP32 S3 with the slower flash and PSRAM is the lowest cost that you can find.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by roody15 »

LtWorf wrote: post #272
roody15 wrote: post #125

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Education price for schools is 499$ for the Neo. Have to agree no longer sure the pi makes much sense at this price point.

Except that a rpi is a device made for learning things and a Neo is a device made to be a door to a shop.

Agree, I just meant on the pricing. I like the rpi, have hads lots of fun with the rpi4 making a custom home media player. Just at this price point not sure it makes much sense for as many people to play around with.

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Post by Grombobulous »

timschmidt wrote: post #250
wao0uuno wrote: post #238

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Can a N100-class minipc” be installed inside of a wall with a touchscreen and serve as a PoE powered Home Assistant interface? Can it be used to build a portable battery powered smartphone like PC (Compute Module 5)? Raspberry Pi’s biggest strength is its form factor and low power draw.

> Can a N100-class minipc” be installed inside of a wall with a touchscreen and serve as a PoE powered Home Assistant interface? Yes. Generally only requiring a $10 PoE splitter like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134500605396 Some N100 class machines draw more power, but many don't, and there are more capable PoE splitters for a few dollars extra. Use a USB touchscreen.

I might also point out that with Pi/mini PC pricing being the way it is, a used iPad mini mounted to the wall is also in the same price range. As a bonus you could remove it from the wall and walk around with it, and you’ve got way less DIY work to deal with.
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